Automotive trends while Obama was in office
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January 7th, 2022 at 1:28:52 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | After the Opec crisis of the early 1970s the EPA set the Corporate Average Fuel Economy standards to go up for several years 1978->1985 18.0 mpg -> 27.5 mpg for cars 1979->1985 17.2 mpg -> 19.7 mpg for 2WD truck 1979->1985 15.8 mpg -> 18.9 mpg for 4WD truck But as the crisis became a memory, by 2008 the CAFE requirement for cars was still 27.5 mpg for cars and 22.4 mpg for trucks (which now included more SUVs than traditional trucks) As everyone knows the Obama administration radically changed CAFE requirements. Over a period of 8 years 2008 -> 2016 27.5 mpg -> 36.5 mpg CAFE for domestic cars, and 37.4 for imported cars Here are 10 trends and stats showing change over 8 years from 2008 to 2016, I) 52.7% -> 43.8% percentage of vehicles sold that were "sedans/wagons" (includes coupes and sports cars) II) 11.5% -> 29.9% cars produced with continuous variable transmissions @ 70.7% -> 3.6% vehicles with 5 speeds or less III) 8.0% -> 4.1% cars prdocued with manual transmissions (after ~2010 manual transmissions became less fuel efficient than automatic) IV) 0% -> 9.6% non-hybrid vehicles equipped with Stop/Start mechanism to prevent idling V) 3.0% -> 19.9% vehicles equipped with turbocharged engines as manufacturers built small TC engines to save fuel instead of adding power to larger engines VI) 58.2% -> 98.0% vehicles with Variable Valve timing VII) 5.6 -> 5.0 average number of cylinders as many 8 cylinder engines replaced with 6 cylinder ones , and 6 cylinder engines replaced with 4 cylinder ones VIII) 2.3% -> 48.0% vehicles produced with Gasoline Direct Injection IX) 76.4% -> 92.3% vehicles produced with multi-valve engines (i.e., engines with more than two valves per cylinder) X) 219 hp -> 230 hp on average (consumers know you can never be too rich, too skinny or have too much horsepower) The Trump administration rolled back those changes calling them unsafe, unnecessary, and said they increased car maintenance and acquisition costs. There are a number of other changes, like increasing number of speeds on automatic transmissions, and obviously a move towards hybrids and plug-in vehicles. |
January 7th, 2022 at 2:51:31 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | Even though I lean left I'm very uncomfortable with the government requiring fuel economy Let the car makers have the freedom to build what the market desires There is still a consumer demand for fuel efficiency without the governments interference Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
January 7th, 2022 at 3:30:18 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
This Mercedes transmission 9G-Tronic has 9 speeds and 4 planetary gearsets. It must cost a fortune. Google "Ford 10 speed transmission problems" and you'll get millions of hits and dozens of class action lawsuiits. Google "Jatco cvt lawsuits" and you will get some hits on automatic transmissions, but mostly on CVT lawsuits. Subaru had a 4 speed automatic transmission until 2011. |
January 7th, 2022 at 4:51:13 PM permalink | |
missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3100 | The CAFE standards need to be rolled back. The progressives' desire to end fossil fuel use is arguably well-intentioned but Obama went too fast, as the above post shows. Car makers cannot simply snap their fingers to gain compliance. |
January 7th, 2022 at 5:40:49 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
In 2018 President Trump proposed freezing the CAFE standards at 2020 levels for the years 2021-2026. He did not propose rolling them back. The notice to this action was over 500 pages of tightly packed commentary, so I will only reproduce a small sample below. President Biden immediately began the process of cancelling the Trump proposal. On March 15, 2017, President Trump announced a restoration of the original mid-term review timeline. The President made clear in his remarks, ‘If the standards threatened auto jobs, then commonsense changes’’ would be made in order to protect the economic viability of the U.S. automotive industry.’
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January 9th, 2022 at 8:00:28 AM permalink | |
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5105 | Biden, you mean? I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
January 9th, 2022 at 8:16:23 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Of course! According to the researchers, as the Earth warms, temperature changes between the poles and equator will decrease, leading to a weakening or split in the jet stream and creating an opening for hurricanes in the mid-latitudes to build and escalate during the summer months. https://www.indianaenvironmentalreporter.org/posts/climate-change-will-bring-more-hurricanes-to-northeastern-cities-study-finds#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20researchers%2C%20as,escalate%20during%20the%20summer%20months. |
January 9th, 2022 at 11:27:48 AM permalink | |
odiousgambit Member since: Oct 28, 2012 Threads: 154 Posts: 5105 | Interesting. However, I don't think a tidal wave is coming that will knock over the Statue of Liberty as in that movie, which must have gotten people really, really thinking. Then they became Climate Change Skeptics en masse LOL. I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me] |
January 9th, 2022 at 12:01:54 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 |
I doubt it because I have no idea what movie you are talking about. What movie? Only movie I can think of with the statue, Planet of the Apes. That was a great scene. Saw it as a kid in the theater when it came out.and it blew my mind Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
January 9th, 2022 at 12:31:59 PM permalink | |
missedhervee Member since: Apr 23, 2021 Threads: 96 Posts: 3100 |
"Deep Impact" go to 2:40 ... |