Televised Jan 6 hearings.

Quote: Tanko

My previous post was in response to the one above it.

Trump offered 20,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6th, but the Chief of the Capitol police, Steven Sund rejected them.

'Trump admin was ready to deploy National Guard on Jan 6, Capitol Police timeline shows'

Sund later changed his mind and asked the Congressional Sgt. at Arms, who reports to Pelosi, and the Senate Sgt. at Arms who reports to Schumer, to approve using the 20,000 troops offered by Trump.

Despite the Chief’s request, and warnings from the FBI and Homeland, of violence and ‘war’, Schumer and Pelosi rejected the offer.

'FBI report warned of ‘war’ at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence'

‘Keep your head on a swivel’

Had Schumer and Pelosi not been playing politics, the six people who died during the riot, would be alive today.

It was a setup. The dems wanted bloodshed. They used people like Ray Epps to encourage protestors to enter the Capitol building.

Trump cannot offer about 20k National Guardsmen, he can offer about 2k (DC Guard, which domestically is the only "State" -yes I know not really a State, but some Non-States like Puerto Rico, Guam, and DC have their own territory/district Guard- Guard that the President has direct control over). The only National Guard that he has the power to deploy domestically is the DC National Guard (since DC does not have a Governor, and is a Federal District, the President defaults to being their Commander in Chief which puts them in a unique category compared to most States/Territories).

The Congress Elected Officials and Security Officials (SGT at Arms and Speaker, other people you quoted etc....) cannot undeploy or refuse to deploy the DC National Guard (they may or may not be able to refuse them access to the actual buildings/grounds, but I am not 100% sure about this. However, even if this is the case, it does not stop them from being deployed around DC to allow the Capitol Police more personnel to be at the Capitol Building if needed.)

For example Trump deployed the DC National Guard during the George Floyd protests in DC against a lot of opposition (and pretty quickly deactivated them when it became unpopular). He had the power to do so even if local agencies and politicians don't want him to. Even the Capitol Police and DC City officials cannot stop him from deploying the DC Guard within DC. He can even request National Guard from other States for DC (though that is up to each Governor if they are willing to send resources to the Capitol, he can only directly deploy the DC Guard).

As for the Ray Epps thing, dude owns a farm in Arizona and is in his 60s (in a very Red County) that is used for events, and is a long time member of a right wing biker group, he is certainly not a Democratic operative or an undercover Fed. I do not understand the right's obsession with him. I know he was quickly removed from the FBI's wanted list (which is what is causing the conspiracy), and both him and his attorney are not stating clearly about how this was achieved, if I had to guess they came to some deal where he would provide information about people in his group for less (or no) charges (which obviously they would not want to advertise). He is a very public figure (due to his business being well known for events that are publicized), so if he was on a government payroll it would be very easy for somebody (even some random internet sleuth) to track down via open records (he would also be a terrible choice for this reason).... The obvious answer of why he was removed from the wanted list so quickly was that he had his attorney negotiate something for him (and probably was proactive of making contact quickly), and of course they are not going to advertise the details of this (and probably legally cannot).

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

My previous post was in response to the one above it.

Trump offered 20,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6th, but the Chief of the Capitol police, Steven Sund rejected them.

'Trump admin was ready to deploy National Guard on Jan 6, Capitol Police timeline shows'

Sund later changed his mind and asked the Congressional Sgt. at Arms, who reports to Pelosi, and the Senate Sgt. at Arms who reports to Schumer, to approve using the 20,000 troops offered by Trump.

Despite the Chief’s request, and warnings from the FBI and Homeland, of violence and ‘war’, Schumer and Pelosi rejected the offer.

'FBI report warned of ‘war’ at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence'

‘Keep your head on a swivel’

Had Schumer and Pelosi not been playing politics, the six people who died during the riot, would be alive today.

It was a setup. The dems wanted bloodshed. They used people like Ray Epps to encourage protestors to enter the Capitol building.

Trump cannot offer about 20k National Guardsmen, he can offer about 2k (DC Guard, which domestically is the only "State" -yes I know not really a State, but some Non-States like Puerto Rico, Guam, and DC have their own territory/district Guard- Guard that the President has direct control over). The only National Guard that he has the power to deploy domestically is the DC National Guard (since DC does not have a Governor, and is a Federal District, the President defaults to being their Commander in Chief which puts them in a unique category compared to most States/Territories).

The Congress Elected Officials and Security Officials (SGT at Arms and Speaker, other people you quoted etc....) cannot undeploy or refuse to deploy the DC National Guard (they may or may not be able to refuse them access to the actual buildings/grounds, but I am not 100% sure about this. However, even if this is the case, it does not stop them from being deployed around DC to allow the Capitol Police more personnel to be at the Capitol Building if needed.)

For example Trump deployed the DC National Guard during the George Floyd protests in DC against a lot of opposition (and pretty quickly deactivated them when it became unpopular). He had the power to do so even if local agencies and politicians don't want him to. Even the Capitol Police and DC City officials cannot stop him from deploying the DC Guard within DC. He can even request National Guard from other States for DC (though that is up to each Governor if they are willing to send resources to the Capitol, he can only directly deploy the DC Guard).

As for the Ray Epps thing, dude owns a farm in Arizona and is in his 60s (in a very Red County) that is used for events, and is a long time member of a right wing biker group, he is certainly not a Democratic operative or an undercover Fed. I do not understand the right's obsession with him. I know he was quickly removed from the FBI's wanted list (which is what is causing the conspiracy), and both him and his attorney are not stating clearly about how this was achieved, if I had to guess they came to some deal where he would provide information about people in his group for less (or no) charges (which obviously they would not want to advertise). He is a very public figure (due to his business being well known for events that are publicized), so if he was on a government payroll it would be very easy for somebody (even some random internet sleuth) to track down via open records (he would also be a terrible choice for this reason).... The obvious answer of why he was removed from the wanted list so quickly was that he had his attorney negotiate something for him (and probably was proactive of making contact quickly), and of course they are not going to advertise the details of this (and probably legally cannot).

It's still mind boggling that everyone who contradicts Trump's account of events, including his own picks for appointments are dismissed as liars or losers or in the case of his own daughter, not paying attention when she says she believes Barr. You would think his unwavering supporters might become at least a little bit suspicious that one person who is contradicting so many might be the one they should stop believing.

Quote: Gandler

Quote: Tanko

My previous post was in response to the one above it.

Trump offered 20,000 National Guard troops ahead of Jan. 6th, but the Chief of the Capitol police, Steven Sund rejected them.

'Trump admin was ready to deploy National Guard on Jan 6, Capitol Police timeline shows'

Sund later changed his mind and asked the Congressional Sgt. at Arms, who reports to Pelosi, and the Senate Sgt. at Arms who reports to Schumer, to approve using the 20,000 troops offered by Trump.

Despite the Chief’s request, and warnings from the FBI and Homeland, of violence and ‘war’, Schumer and Pelosi rejected the offer.

'FBI report warned of ‘war’ at Capitol, contradicting claims there was no indication of looming violence'

‘Keep your head on a swivel’

Had Schumer and Pelosi not been playing politics, the six people who died during the riot, would be alive today.

It was a setup. The dems wanted bloodshed. They used people like Ray Epps to encourage protestors to enter the Capitol building.

Trump cannot offer about 20k National Guardsmen, he can offer about 2k (DC Guard, which domestically is the only "State" -yes I know not really a State, but some Non-States like Puerto Rico, Guam, and DC have their own territory/district Guard- Guard that the President has direct control over). The only National Guard that he has the power to deploy domestically is the DC National Guard (since DC does not have a Governor, and is a Federal District, the President defaults to being their Commander in Chief which puts them in a unique category compared to most States/Territories).

The Congress Elected Officials and Security Officials (SGT at Arms and Speaker, other people you quoted etc....) cannot undeploy or refuse to deploy the DC National Guard (they may or may not be able to refuse them access to the actual buildings/grounds, but I am not 100% sure about this. However, even if this is the case, it does not stop them from being deployed around DC to allow the Capitol Police more personnel to be at the Capitol Building if needed.)

For example Trump deployed the DC National Guard during the George Floyd protests in DC against a lot of opposition (and pretty quickly deactivated them when it became unpopular). He had the power to do so even if local agencies and politicians don't want him to. Even the Capitol Police and DC City officials cannot stop him from deploying the DC Guard within DC. He can even request National Guard from other States for DC (though that is up to each Governor if they are willing to send resources to the Capitol, he can only directly deploy the DC Guard).

As for the Ray Epps thing, dude owns a farm in Arizona and is in his 60s (in a very Red County) that is used for events, and is a long time member of a right wing biker group, he is certainly not a Democratic operative or an undercover Fed. I do not understand the right's obsession with him. I know he was quickly removed from the FBI's wanted list (which is what is causing the conspiracy), and both him and his attorney are not stating clearly about how this was achieved, if I had to guess they came to some deal where he would provide information about people in his group for less (or no) charges (which obviously they would not want to advertise). He is a very public figure (due to his business being well known for events that are publicized), so if he was on a government payroll it would be very easy for somebody (even some random internet sleuth) to track down via open records (he would also be a terrible choice for this reason).... The obvious answer of why he was removed from the wanted list so quickly was that he had his attorney negotiate something for him (and probably was proactive of making contact quickly), and of course they are not going to advertise the details of this (and probably legally cannot).

Tell us more about Ray Epps.

Quote: Gandler

Trump cannot offer about 20k National Guardsmen, he can offer about 2k (DC Guard, which domestically is the only "State"

You should tell that to the Pentagon.

'Army Times reported earlier this week that the Pentagon had authorized 15,000 National Guard members to be sent to the District for the inauguration.'

Guard can be drawn from all states.

Trump offered 20,000 Guard and his offer was rejected by Pelosi and Schumer, despite multiple warnings from the FBI.

They wanted a riot that they could blame on Trump supporters. They didn't care whether anyone got killed.

About 20,000 National Guard Members To Deploy For Inauguration, Officials Say

'The exact number to be deployed is still being worked out by the Secret Service, the lead agency on inauguration security, and others, a U.S. official told NPR's Pentagon reporter Tom Bowman. The official, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to reporters, said the number of National Guard members to be deployed is up to 20,000.'

'The troops will be coming from nearly all states, Bowman reported, adding that only those who are either military police or have law enforcement experience will be armed.'

Quote: Tanko

Trump offered 20,000 Guard and his offer was rejected by Pelosi and Schumer, despite multiple warnings from the FBI.

They wanted a riot that they could blame on Trump supporters. They didn't care whether anyone got killed.

So, Trump had a chance to rant inside the White House while he was watching it on TV to any number of people about how he had requested 20,000 troops.

He wasn't even doing as much as Chief Arredondo of Uvalde during the school shooting.

Quote: Tanko

You should tell that to the Pentagon.

'Army Times reported earlier this week that the Pentagon had authorized 15,000 National Guard members to be sent to the District for the inauguration.'

Guard can be drawn from all states.

Trump offered 20,000 Guard and his offer was rejected by Pelosi and Schumer, despite multiple warnings from the FBI.

They wanted a riot that they could blame on Trump supporters. They didn't care whether anyone got killed.

About 20,000 National Guard Members To Deploy For Inauguration, Officials Say

'The exact number to be deployed is still being worked out by the Secret Service, the lead agency on inauguration security, and others, a U.S. official told NPR's Pentagon reporter Tom Bowman. The official, who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to reporters, said the number of National Guard members to be deployed is up to 20,000.'

'The troops will be coming from nearly all states, Bowman reported, adding that only those who are either military police or have law enforcement experience will be armed.'

Its a case of Trump promising something that he cannot, he cannot deploy National Guard from other States to DC, the Govenor's would have to deploy the National Guard and Trump would just be agreeing to accept them. Now, it may be true (I'll give the benefit that it probably is true since it is confirmed by enough sources) that enough Governors had an agreement that they would send 20K if requested, but Trump would not be deploying he would just be accepting, he can only deploy the DC Guard (only about 2.5k total if they deploy 100% which is quite nearly impossible).

In any case the issue is again, larger than semantics, he can brag about being ready to deploy or accept whoever, why did he not? If he had 20K people lined up being deployed from other States, why did he not accept them? This is one issue where as CIC of DC Guard, he had 100% authority on the matter and did not need any approval from Congress or the local police, or anyone else etc.... So for not deploying DC Guard and not accepting other Guards, he has nobody to blame but himself.

This is not an issue that makes him look good, its basically a way of saying, "I was the sole authority to accept resources from other States and deploy local resources, but I decided not to"..... Even if all of the above is 100% true it just makes him look worse (I am not seeing how this is any kind of defense). Trump is well known for not following advice on military matters, so if he was so ready and thought it so critical he just would have done it, not talked in circles about how some people in congress did not like the idea..... He is the authority for the DC Guard, if they did not deploy when he was still President it is 100% on him....

Quote: rxwine

So, Trump had a chance to rant inside the White House while he was watching it on TV to any number of people about how he had requested 20,000 troops.

He wasn't even doing as much as Chief Arredondo of Uvalde during the school shooting.

Donny’s response to Jan. 6 would be like if the police chief was rooting for the shooter while the massacre was in progress.

Quote: Tanko

Had Schumer and Pelosi not been playing politics, the six people who died during the riot, would be alive today.

Six people did not die during the Jan 6th riot.
AMS has lied about this in the past.
The only person that died during the Jan 6th riots was a rioter shot by Capitol Police.
Sicknick died of natural causes on the 7th per the official autopsy report, he was 43 and had a stroke.
I guess he wasn't the healthy specimen an LEO should be.
The other 4 Capitol Police Officers killed themselves sometime later in January.
Remind me again, did the suicidal cops get a Rotunda ceremony? Oh that's just for stroke victims, got it.
Maybe someone should have used a red flag law & taken those 4 officer's guns away?
I bet magazine capacity restrictions or banning AR-15's, that would have saved them.
Or maybe some RV'ers around here should be more generous with their Rx's.
If only some nomad living on Social Security had shared a pill or two, lives could have been saved.

The only Capitol Police Officer I remember killed by a civilian in 2021, was killed by a Black man.
Noah Green doesn't really look like a "white supremacist" or "Ultra MAGA insurrectionist"
Damn those inconvenient facts, they just don't fit that J6 narrative.
For the Dems, the facts are like that Constitution, they always get in the way of their Socialist agenda.
Not to worry, the SCOTUS will invalidate their Unconstitutional Legislation until the GOP takes a majority in both Houses.
Tick Tock Tick Tock, November is coming. LMAO.

Quote: JCW09

Six people did not die during the Jan 6th riot.
AMS has lied about this in the past.

I love jcw’s desperation on this topic.

Blue lives matter, right? 😂

Maybe go away and try to resuscitate your failing business…

Quote: ams288

Blue lives matter, right? 😂

No lives matter.