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September 4th, 2022 at 9:01:38 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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September 4th, 2022 at 10:39:35 PM permalink
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September 4th, 2022 at 11:51:42 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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California Statistics
13,957,692 PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL Cars(INCLUDING TAXICABS)+ 243,708 PUBLICLY OWNED Cars = 14,201,400 cars
15,008,976 PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL Trucks(INCLUDING TAXICABS)+301,621 PUBLICLY OWNED Trucks = 15,310,597 Trucks


Quote: missedhervee
Could be worse.


I don't envision what you see in that video in China with millions of cars coming back from vacation. People will never be able to replace all those gasoline vehicles with EVs. And man of he EVs will have 150 mile to 250 mile range meaning that long driving trips will be difficult or expensive or simply time consuming.

I think there will be an explosion of two wheeled vehicles from electric scooters, to e-bikes to electric motorcylces. A lot more people will be driving around in golf carts with top speeds of 25 mph.
September 5th, 2022 at 2:45:54 AM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin

I think there will be an explosion of two wheeled vehicles from electric scooters, to e-bikes to electric motorcylces. A lot more people will be driving around in golf carts with top speeds of 25 mph.


I do not see that in CA. Maybe in FL where they have bigger communities set up for them. But in CA it seems so many trips involve a freeway of some sort. Even in Phoenix the major roads were six lanes, and you could not get most places without going on one. You would get run down in cart.
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September 5th, 2022 at 6:11:36 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Pacomartin
California Statistics
13,957,692 PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL Cars(INCLUDING TAXICABS)+ 243,708 PUBLICLY OWNED Cars = 14,201,400 cars
15,008,976 PRIVATE AND COMMERCIAL Trucks(INCLUDING TAXICABS)+301,621 PUBLICLY OWNED Trucks = 15,310,597 Trucks




I don't envision what you see in that video in China with millions of cars coming back from vacation. People will never be able to replace all those gasoline vehicles with EVs. And man of he EVs will have 150 mile to 250 mile range meaning that long driving trips will be difficult or expensive or simply time consuming.

I think there will be an explosion of two wheeled vehicles from electric scooters, to e-bikes to electric motorcylces. A lot more people will be driving around in golf carts with top speeds of 25 mph.


Unless they invent super fast charging, I think we will have battery stations. You stick a credit card in and puit a deposit on a battery and it's loaded into the car. The battery you turn in is checked for damage or failure automatically. And your card gets credit if it is still usable. Even when I'm long distance driving, going 70mph, 4 hours is 280 miles and I imagine most people at least are ready to get out and stretch. They should be able to manage a battery exchange in the same time it takes to fill a tank. So pretty much the same as now.
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September 5th, 2022 at 6:18:49 AM permalink
rxwine
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I foresee people being able to buy insurance for these exchangeable batteries which would cost thousands. If you start turning in a high proportion of damaged batteries compared to other people, your rates will increase.
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September 5th, 2022 at 7:29:56 AM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: rxwine
Unless they invent super fast charging, I think we will have battery stations. You stick a credit card in and puit a deposit on a battery and it's loaded into the car. The battery you turn in is checked for damage or failure automatically. And your card gets credit if it is still usable. Even when I'm long distance driving, going 70mph, 4 hours is 280 miles and I imagine most people at least are ready to get out and stretch. They should be able to manage a battery exchange in the same time it takes to fill a tank. So pretty much the same as now.


The batteries in Tesla's range from 1000 to 4000 pounds. I don't see changing a 2 Ton battery in 15 minutes. Tesla's charging station are limited to 30 minutes many others to 40 minutes. The fuller the battery is the slower the charging rate gets so 100% is seldom the goal.
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September 5th, 2022 at 8:21:47 AM permalink
missedhervee
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How much diminution of range does using the lights, heater, stereo etc. cause?

Gotta think the heater in particular really sucks up the juice.

So if an EV is touted as having a 200 mile range (presumably with no lights,heater, stereo etc. used during the test) what will it do with all those loads being drawn?
September 5th, 2022 at 8:27:05 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: kenarman
The batteries in Tesla's range from 1000 to 4000 pounds. I don't see changing a 2 Ton battery in 15 minutes. Tesla's charging station are limited to 30 minutes many others to 40 minutes. The fuller the battery is the slower the charging rate gets so 100% is seldom the goal.


You know, the standard mechanics car lift usually rated around 10,000 lbs. Just from memory, I don't think it takes more than 5 -10 seconds to bring an entire car up to shoulder height.

It's more about design and precision.
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September 5th, 2022 at 8:45:16 AM permalink
missedhervee
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Sure, it is "possible" to design and develop the tech to quickly replace on board heavy batteries with fresh ones, but the equipment will cost a lot more than a gas pump and will require TLC / regualar maintenance, not to mention a lot more room both for equipment and for a large stash of replacement batteries.

One question: are ALL battery packs now identical?

If not they should be for the above scenario to be economically viable.
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