would you visit a linear city in Saudi Arabia
November 10th, 2022 at 12:26:52 PM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4943 |
No, HOA's don't but countries do. The US restricts plenty of things within your own home. I don't know why you would think we are different than Saudi. They all restrict some things even if they are different between countries. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
November 10th, 2022 at 8:02:54 PM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4236 |
Its not even close. Saudi Arabia controls speech from home (including online postings), if I posted what I posted above I would probably be gone already. The U.S. does not control speech at home (or really anywhere). The U.S. does not control religious expression (or lack of it) at home. The U.S. does not control personal relations at home. What behavior in your home does America control/restrict that is equivalent to Saudi Arabia? Sure, I mean you can't murder somebody in your house (but even that is pretty lax compared to many countries, because its very easy to claim self-defense in your home under castle doctrine)..... America probably has more property rights than just about any other country. |
November 10th, 2022 at 8:11:55 PM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4236 |
No that is the point. Because, another layer of rules is not inherently bad. You have to evaluate the merits of each one. And, the great thing about HOAs (again not ones owned by Developers), is that everyone has a (mostly) equal say. But, I am not forcing anyone to live in an HOA community, the choice is yours, you are very financially successful, buy or rent a house or condo that works for you. I am simply not inherently against the premise of HOAs. Many people like them (evidenced by their rapid growth), for every horror story you see on the news, there are probably thousands of content residents who feel at peace with some semblance of a status quo. Some HOAs even do the bulk of the work for you (cutting the grass in the front yard, power washing the front of the house, etc...) HOAs are basically a private government, I do not see how conservatives can be against them. Massive HOAs are basically private cities that do everything themselves from trash collection to security, to parking enforcement, to road maint, to utilities.... It's peak free market (all rules are decided by the owners of the community and enforced via voluntary contract). |
November 11th, 2022 at 2:54:23 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
You like being told how to live, I get it. Lots of us do not.
They are not growing because "people like them." They are growing because actual and de facto laws make them the only way to develop. In Phoenix if you read the house for sale ads "NO HOA!" is a big selling point.
You do not understand how conservatives are against them? Conservatives want less government, not more. We do not need to pay someone to fine us if we do not keep our property up to their standards. As to "rules being decided by the owners" well that is not so much. They have a board that runs things and these boards tend to get filled by fussbudgets who like to tell others what to do. In theory you can get all the homeowners to come to a meeting and vote, but why should you have to do that to get petty rules changed? Unless I go townhouse of condo I will never buy an HOA property. There is simply zero good reason for them. But for people who want to live like East Germany have at it! The President is a fink. |
November 11th, 2022 at 3:54:02 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4943 |
The point is that all countries put restrictions on their people. Some more, some less. We all have different beliefs, morals, and ethics. One is not necessarily better than another, just different. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
November 11th, 2022 at 5:19:40 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18632 | It kind of looks like a modern housing project. But I'm fine with anybody building any new kind of experimental project. Doesn't mean I would necessarily want to invest my time or money in something or live there though. For instance. How a New Hampshire libertarian utopia was foiled by bears https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/21534416/free-state-project-new-hampshire-libertarians-matthew-hongoltz-hetling You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 11th, 2022 at 6:39:25 AM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4236 |
One is better. America (and almost every country in the world) has less restrictions than Saudi Arabia. A county that jails (or worse, look at Jamal Khashoggi), people who are critical of the government (even in the most tame fashion), is drastically inferior to a country that allows virtually anything as far as criticism goes. Of course, all countries put restrictions on people, but its the restrictions that matter. |
November 11th, 2022 at 6:46:44 AM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4236 |
You should have to do that to get the rules changes because that is what your contract states. I have read endless libertarian literature, where there are no governments and local society is based upon voluntary contracts and everything is run by the private sector. That is the summary of a massive HOA. So yes, conservatives should love them based upon followings of libertarian literature. Of course, my rebuttal is once a "private government" becomes large enough, is it really different than a City/County government? (In many ways its even stricter). |
November 11th, 2022 at 7:13:49 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4943 |
You may be biased. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
November 11th, 2022 at 7:22:10 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
What you do not grasp is we do not care if it is “private” government. We do not want more silly rules just for rules sake. You seem to like more rules as long as it is not KSA making them. The President is a fink. |