New Century Global Centre

July 12th, 2013 at 9:47:42 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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New Century Global Centre just opened in Chengdu, China.
One building has 3 times the square footage of the Pentagon, and is 60% of the area of the City of London (the ancient Roman City)


Right now it has more square footage of space than any other building in the world, although historically the now demolished USA K-25 uranium enrichment facility of the Manhattan Project was larger.

Besides a massive shopping center it has offices, conference rooms, a university complex, two commercial centers, hotels, an IMAX cinema, a "Mediterranean village", a pirate ship a skating rink, an artificial beach, a giant screen 150 metres long and 40 metres high will form the horizon and offer sunrises and sunsets.

Would such a place be of interest to you? Would you ever travel to this city to see such a manmade monster?

July 13th, 2013 at 9:33:24 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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That 60% of the size of the City of London is the floor space, not the space it takes up on the ground (the Square Mile is... a square mile in area, while this building is about 1/4mile square foot print).

I don't quite get how they have 1.7 million square meters of floor space (500x400 = 200,000 square meters, which implies 9 floors, but from the pictures there's a lot of open space in there that doesn't lend itself to multiple floors).

It is 5 times the size of West Edmonton Mall in floor space, just to give myself a frame of reference.
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July 13th, 2013 at 10:04:08 AM permalink
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Whatever the architecture, what does it offer?
A mall in West Edmonton may be known for its size and variety but is largely valued by the stores and their offerings.

Something can be large and impressive but its still a trek and in many countries treks to remote sites lack infrastructure of hotels and restaurants and the like. Look at some of the tourists traps in modern China. English lesson teas at rip-off tea houses, free meal included but heaven help you if you don't order the extra and very much higher priced dishes, etc. How "impressed" with architecture does a tourist have to be if he is shaken down at a hotel and at a tea house?

City of London? Its never meant that much to me. I know the Queen has to stop and call out prior to entering it and that the police of the City of London are far different than the London Metropolitan Police but other than that ... big deal.
July 13th, 2013 at 11:06:42 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: TheCesspit
That 60% of the size of the City of London is the floor space, not the space it takes up on the ground (the Square Mile is... a square mile in area, while this building is about 1/4mile square foot print).

I don't quite get how they have 1.7 million square meters of floor space (500x400 = 200,000 square meters, which implies 9 floors, but from the pictures there's a lot of open space in there that doesn't lend itself to multiple floors).
It is 5 times the size of West Edmonton Mall in floor space, just to give myself a frame of reference.


Well the gross leasable retail space at West Edmonton is 350K meters sq, while New Century is 400K which is a difference of 15%. Both West Edmonton and New Century have attractions outside of the retail space. The artificial indoor beach is more of an Asian thing than in the Americas.

As the floor space is indeed 8.8 times the actual acreage, a lot of it must be used in the office and hotel spaces which are over 70% of the total space.

So it was a bit of a cheat to compare the building to the City of London which is nicknamed The Square Mile. The footprint of the New Century Global Centre is about 8% of a square mile.

Quote: Fleastiff
City of London? Its never meant that much to me. I know the Queen has to stop and call out prior to entering it and that the police of the City of London are far different than the London Metropolitan Police but other than that ... big deal.


The Queen is met by the Lord Mayor when entering the City of London (a tradition that dates back to King John and the magna Carta in the 12th century). It is widely believed that she must obtain his permission, but actually she is normally accompanied by the Mayor. She rarely goes into the City.

The Queen must ask permission to enter the House of Commons in Parliament in the City of Whitehall. An entirely different tradition that dates back to the civil wars of the 17th century. She is refused entry the first time, as a matter of principle, but is granted access on the second request.

The two great tourist attractions of the City of London are the Tower of London and St Paul's Cathedral. The Barbican Center is the biggest attraction built in the 1980's. It is almost entirely full of buildings with companies that work in finance, and less than 8000 people live there today.
July 14th, 2013 at 10:18:56 PM permalink
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I've been to the mall in Edmonton years ago (early 90s I think). I wouldn't mind hitting this one up some day.
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July 15th, 2013 at 1:28:37 AM permalink
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It's kind of amazing that a city that until 2005 had only three buildings over 330' (all between 500' and 525') should suddenly sprout such incredible buildings. But it is considered one of the best cities in China to invest in, given the new urbanization of remote areas of China.
July 15th, 2013 at 2:01:26 PM permalink
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The Clock Tower building in Mecca has 17 million square feet (as opposed to 18 million at New Century Global Centre). The clock is an unbelievable 600 meters high, which is still a distant second to Burj Khalifi, but still bigger than anything else in the world.

Of course, there is no way to see this building without converting to Islam first.
July 16th, 2013 at 2:38:24 PM permalink
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Of course, there is no way to see this building without converting to Islam first.

Buh? I had no idea non-Muslims were prohibited from entering Mecca.
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July 16th, 2013 at 8:37:01 PM permalink
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This statement is in WikiTravel for Mecca:

WARNING Non-Muslims are strictly prohibited from entering the city of Mecca. The penalty is deportation from the country. Documentation will be checked upon entry and anyone not showing proof of being Muslim will be denied entry. As a solitary exception, the Mecca bus terminal (outside city limits) is open to all.

The sign on the road to the city is pretty clear.



America getting skyscraper envy as Saudi Arabia plans tallest building in the world

Here are the top 50 completed or under construction (no proposed buildings are listed). That is the ESB at the bottom.
Rank Feet Name City Year
1 3281 Kingdom Tower Jeddah (SA) 2019
2 2717 Burj Khalifa Dubai (AE) 2010
3 2165 Ping An Finance Center Shenzhen (CN) 2016
4 2087 Wuhan Greenland Center Wuhan (CN) 2017
5 2073 Shanghai Tower Shanghai (CN) 2014
6 1972 Makkah Royal Clock Tower Hotel Mecca (SA) 2012
7 1957 Goldin Finance 117 Tianjin (CN) 2016
8 1819 Lotte World Tower Seoul (KR) 2015
9 1776 One World Trade Center New York City (US) 2014
10 1739 The CTF Guangzhou Guangzhou (CN) 2017
10 1739 Tianjin Chow Tai Fook Binhai Center Tianjin (CN) 2016
12 1732 Zhongguo Zun Beijing (CN) 2018
13 1674 Busan Lotte Town Tower Busan (KR) 2016
14 1667 Taipei 101 Taipei (TW) 2004
15 1614 Shanghai World Financial Center Shanghai (CN) 2008
16 1588 International Commerce Centre Hong Kong (CN) 2010
17 1535 International Commerce Center 1 Chongqing (CN) 2016
17 1535 Tianjin R&F Guangdong Tower Tianjin (CN) 2016
19 1517 Lakhta Center St. Petersburg (RU) 2018
20 1509 Riverview Plaza A1 Wuhan (CN) 2016
21 1483 Suzhou Supertower Suzhou (CN) 2016
22 1483 Petronas Tower 1 Kuala Lumpur (MY) 1998
22 1483 Petronas Tower 2 Kuala Lumpur (MY) 1998
24 1476 Zifeng Tower Nanjing (CN) 2010
25 1451 Willis Tower Chicago (US) 1974
26 1450 World One Mumbai (IN) 2015
27 1449 KK100 Shenzhen (CN) 2011
28 1439 Guangzhou International Finance Center Guangzhou (CN) 2010
29 1437 Wuhan Center Wuhan (CN) 2015
30 1417 Marina 101 Dubai (AE) 2014
30 1417 Diamond Tower Jeddah (SA) -
32 1397 432 Park Avenue New York City (US) 2015
33 1389 Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago (US) 2009
34 1380 Jin Mao Tower Shanghai (CN) 1999
35 1356 Princess Tower Dubai (AE) 2012
36 1354 Al Hamra Tower Kuwait City (KW) 2011
37 1352 Two International Finance Centre Hong Kong (CN) 2003
38 1332 Huaguoyuan Tower 1 Guiyang (CN) -
38 1332 Huaguoyuan Tower 2 Guiyang (CN) -
40 1312 Nanjing Olympic Suning Tower Nanjing (CN) 2016
41 1306 Ningbo Center Ningbo (CN) 2017
42 1289 23 Marina Dubai (AE) 2012
43 1280 CITIC Plaza Guangzhou (CN) 1996
44 1266 Logan Century Center 1 Nanning (CN) 2017
45 1263 Capital Market Authority Headquarters Riyadh (SA) 2014
46 1260 Shun Hing Square Shenzhen (CN) 1996
47 1257 Eton Place Dalian Tower 1 Dalian (CN) 2014
48 1253 Abu Dhabi Plaza Astana (KZ) 2017
49 1251 World Trade Center Abu Dhabi - The Residences Abu Dhabi (AE) 2013
50 1250 Empire State Building New York City (US) 1931



The previous 1 World Trade Center had a top floor of 1347' and a roof at 1368' with an antenna spire 1727'. This one is not really that much different in height as the roof and top floor will basically be the same height, but the antenna spire has become an architectural feature now, and will reach the symbolic height of 1776'.

Height is measured from the level of the lowest, significant, open-air, pedestrian entrance to the architectural top of the building, including spires, but not including antennae, signage, flag poles or other functional-technical equipment. So the old WTC had an "antenna spire", but the new one has an "architectural spire".

As I have said before, the Empire State Building has only 26' from it's occupied floor to it's architectural peak. It has a 204' antenna on top which doesn't count.

When Donald Trump put a 273' "architectural spire" just so that his building was taller than the ESB, I consider him a spoiler. He was going to make it even bigger so that it topped the Willis Tower, but a combination of the mayor and his prospective tenants talked him out of the idea. People didn't want to purchase apartments in the tallest building in America after 911.

This drawing arranges US building by highest floor, not highest architectural detail