Tesla or BMW

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November 1st, 2013 at 10:38:53 PM permalink
s2dbaker
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Quote: rxwine
Actually, if they had lower side panels on electrics, maybe you could always have a spare charged, then you never wait at all, just need a device to change it out for you.
Sort of like this?
November 1st, 2013 at 11:30:31 PM permalink
rxwine
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Damn I only just mentioned that hours ago, and they stole my idea already!!!

: )
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November 6th, 2013 at 3:47:20 AM permalink
s2dbaker
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Tesla announced good earnings yesterday. CEO, Elon Musk said that although they still have an order backlog, Tesla's future growth is dampened by production constraints. In other words, they can't make enough cars to satisfy demand. Tesla shares dropped over 10% because of that guidance.

Buy on weakness!!
November 6th, 2013 at 11:40:43 AM permalink
TheCesspit
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Quote: rxwine
Damn I only just mentioned that hours ago, and they stole my idea already!!!

: )


I saw drive in battery exchanges as an idea in a children's book of the future when I was a teenager :)
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November 6th, 2013 at 11:59:02 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
I think the range and refuel time for electric cars vs gasoline cars is well understood.


Yes and no.

All new technologies take time to catch on, with some exceptions. Any new technologies which also require infrastructure take longer. The first cars sold probably had range limitations tied to gas stations along one's route (though refueling was fast even then). What all the current electric cars need is more and better infrastructure. That will take time and money.

Condemning them for the lakc of range, the need to conserve battery power, the time it takes to recharge (that can also be speeded up), is to lack foresight. Of course, subsidizing them will only make things worse. You cannot hurry the market if it doesn't want to hurry.

Take the tablet. It may seem as though Apple launched the idea in 2010 and the world followed in no time. but that's not so. The development of tablets goes back to the 90s (really). There were some spectacular failures (including Apple's onw Newton), limited successes like the Palm PDAs, half-hearted attempts by Microsoft, etc. Also Apple more or less evovled the iPad from the iPod touch and the iPhone (iProtest this type of branding). If you'll recall, the iPhone was described at first as "an iPod with a phone."

Anyway, the market, by which I mean the people who buy cars, wants a long range, lots of recharging stations, fast re-charging, and they want all this with A/C, car stereo and all other ancillary gadgets already in today's gas-powered cars.

Of course, battery-powered cars are only one option. Plug-in hybrids make more sense now, fuel cell cars could be developed too, for that matter even hydroge-powered internal combustion engines could work as well.
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November 6th, 2013 at 12:33:27 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Nareed
, fuel cell cars


My theory is the big manufactures don't want anything too easy to be mechanically maintained by your average homeowner. The fuel cell fits that criteria, as too complicated, that you need the manufacturer. The electric is actually closest to something that could be almost maintained and serviced by someone without extensive knowledge. Components could likely be replaced as smaller units all the way through even the drive and motor without too much complication.

It's also why drug companies don't spend much effort studying over the counter easy to find herbs. There's ultimately no money in it unless they can control the delivery. My pharmacist confirmed this last one.
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November 6th, 2013 at 1:31:06 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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In places like Honolulu or New York city where electricity is very expensive it might cost the same to run an electric car vs an efficient gasoline car.

For instance in NYC gasoline is $4.19 / gallon. A car that gets 32 miles per gallon costs $0.13094 per mile to fuel.
A Nissan Leaf is rated at 75 mpg (equivalent). That really means it gets 75 miles/34 kWh or 2.2056 miles per kWh. In NYC where electricity is 29 cents per kWh that is $0.13.147 per mile to recharge.

So that extra $12,000 you spend on the electric car is not saving you a dime. It all goes to making you feel better about yourself.
November 6th, 2013 at 1:59:56 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
In NYC where electricity is 29 cents per kWh that is $0.13.147 per mile to recharge.


I've yet to figure out whether numbers with two decimal points are imaginary or irrational ;)
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November 6th, 2013 at 2:48:47 PM permalink
rxwine
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I can understand NYC, but not why Honolulu can't develop more abundant energy sources (wave, wind, sun, geo-thermal/ volcanic?)

Today News Headlines
First Volcanic Energy Plant makes its debut today.

Today News Headlines (later)
First Volcanic Energy Plant buried in lava flow.
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November 6th, 2013 at 3:10:56 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: rxwine
I can understand NYC, but not why Honolulu can't develop more abundant energy sources (wave, wind, sun, geo-thermal/ volcanic?)


July 2013 Hawaii
600 gWh by Petroleum fired
130 gWh by Coal fired
100 gWh by other renewable.

Actually Hawaii and New York consume relatively small total energy per capita

The WY 975 million BTU consumption is equivalent to 8500 gallons of gasoline per capita. I guess everything is working against you. Lots of farm equipment, long driving distances, cold winters, etc. But a big factor is that WY produces 40% of the coal in the USA, and some of the lowest electricity costs. Almost all electricity is generated by coal.

Rank,State,"Total Energy Consumed per Capita, million Btu"
1,WY,975
2,LA,886
3,AK,881
4,ND,768
5,IA,494
6,TX,476
7,NE,473
8,SD,464
9,IN,440
10,KY,438
11,OK,421
12,KS,405
13,AL,402
14,MT,398
15,MS,391
16,WV,390
17,AR,380
18,MN,349
19,SC,345
20,TN,344
21,ID,332
21,OH,332
23,NM,331
24,MO,313
24,WI,313
26,ME,311
27,IL,309
28,GA,306
29,WA,305
30,DE,299
31,VA,295
32,PA,292
33,DC,291
34,CO,289
35,MI,284
36,UT,283
37,NJ,276
38,NC,267
39,OR,262
40,MD,244
41,VT,238
42,NV,233
43,NH,222
44,AZ,221
44,FL,221
46,MA,211
47,CA,209
48,HI,208
49,CT,207
50,NY,185
51,RI,175
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