Tesla or BMW
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November 1st, 2013 at 10:38:53 PM permalink | |
s2dbaker Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 13 Posts: 241 | Sort of like this? |
November 1st, 2013 at 11:30:31 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 | Damn I only just mentioned that hours ago, and they stole my idea already!!! : ) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 6th, 2013 at 3:47:20 AM permalink | |
s2dbaker Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 13 Posts: 241 | Tesla announced good earnings yesterday. CEO, Elon Musk said that although they still have an order backlog, Tesla's future growth is dampened by production constraints. In other words, they can't make enough cars to satisfy demand. Tesla shares dropped over 10% because of that guidance. Buy on weakness!! |
November 6th, 2013 at 11:40:43 AM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 |
I saw drive in battery exchanges as an idea in a children's book of the future when I was a teenager :) It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
November 6th, 2013 at 11:59:02 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Yes and no. All new technologies take time to catch on, with some exceptions. Any new technologies which also require infrastructure take longer. The first cars sold probably had range limitations tied to gas stations along one's route (though refueling was fast even then). What all the current electric cars need is more and better infrastructure. That will take time and money. Condemning them for the lakc of range, the need to conserve battery power, the time it takes to recharge (that can also be speeded up), is to lack foresight. Of course, subsidizing them will only make things worse. You cannot hurry the market if it doesn't want to hurry. Take the tablet. It may seem as though Apple launched the idea in 2010 and the world followed in no time. but that's not so. The development of tablets goes back to the 90s (really). There were some spectacular failures (including Apple's onw Newton), limited successes like the Palm PDAs, half-hearted attempts by Microsoft, etc. Also Apple more or less evovled the iPad from the iPod touch and the iPhone (iProtest this type of branding). If you'll recall, the iPhone was described at first as "an iPod with a phone." Anyway, the market, by which I mean the people who buy cars, wants a long range, lots of recharging stations, fast re-charging, and they want all this with A/C, car stereo and all other ancillary gadgets already in today's gas-powered cars. Of course, battery-powered cars are only one option. Plug-in hybrids make more sense now, fuel cell cars could be developed too, for that matter even hydroge-powered internal combustion engines could work as well. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
November 6th, 2013 at 12:33:27 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 |
My theory is the big manufactures don't want anything too easy to be mechanically maintained by your average homeowner. The fuel cell fits that criteria, as too complicated, that you need the manufacturer. The electric is actually closest to something that could be almost maintained and serviced by someone without extensive knowledge. Components could likely be replaced as smaller units all the way through even the drive and motor without too much complication. It's also why drug companies don't spend much effort studying over the counter easy to find herbs. There's ultimately no money in it unless they can control the delivery. My pharmacist confirmed this last one. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 6th, 2013 at 1:31:06 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | In places like Honolulu or New York city where electricity is very expensive it might cost the same to run an electric car vs an efficient gasoline car. For instance in NYC gasoline is $4.19 / gallon. A car that gets 32 miles per gallon costs $0.13094 per mile to fuel. A Nissan Leaf is rated at 75 mpg (equivalent). That really means it gets 75 miles/34 kWh or 2.2056 miles per kWh. In NYC where electricity is 29 cents per kWh that is $0.13.147 per mile to recharge. So that extra $12,000 you spend on the electric car is not saving you a dime. It all goes to making you feel better about yourself. |
November 6th, 2013 at 1:59:56 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I've yet to figure out whether numbers with two decimal points are imaginary or irrational ;) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
November 6th, 2013 at 2:48:47 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18633 | I can understand NYC, but not why Honolulu can't develop more abundant energy sources (wave, wind, sun, geo-thermal/ volcanic?) Today News Headlines First Volcanic Energy Plant makes its debut today. Today News Headlines (later) First Volcanic Energy Plant buried in lava flow. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
November 6th, 2013 at 3:10:56 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
July 2013 Hawaii 600 gWh by Petroleum fired 130 gWh by Coal fired 100 gWh by other renewable. Actually Hawaii and New York consume relatively small total energy per capita The WY 975 million BTU consumption is equivalent to 8500 gallons of gasoline per capita. I guess everything is working against you. Lots of farm equipment, long driving distances, cold winters, etc. But a big factor is that WY produces 40% of the coal in the USA, and some of the lowest electricity costs. Almost all electricity is generated by coal. Rank,State,"Total Energy Consumed per Capita, million Btu" 1,WY,975 2,LA,886 3,AK,881 4,ND,768 5,IA,494 6,TX,476 7,NE,473 8,SD,464 9,IN,440 10,KY,438 11,OK,421 12,KS,405 13,AL,402 14,MT,398 15,MS,391 16,WV,390 17,AR,380 18,MN,349 19,SC,345 20,TN,344 21,ID,332 21,OH,332 23,NM,331 24,MO,313 24,WI,313 26,ME,311 27,IL,309 28,GA,306 29,WA,305 30,DE,299 31,VA,295 32,PA,292 33,DC,291 34,CO,289 35,MI,284 36,UT,283 37,NJ,276 38,NC,267 39,OR,262 40,MD,244 41,VT,238 42,NV,233 43,NH,222 44,AZ,221 44,FL,221 46,MA,211 47,CA,209 48,HI,208 49,CT,207 50,NY,185 51,RI,175 |