Original Sin?
February 10th, 2017 at 5:01:30 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | No problem. I was saying that heaven or hell as our ultimate destiny is not dependent on how much we sin as if there was a line of good enough to "make it". Most people of all stripes believe this even if they don't know the first thing about Christ. I have found that most people have a rather nebulous belief in "something out there", a better place, some kind of heaven if you will but they all seem to think bad people don't go there. The truth however is radically different, NO ONE is going to heaven or hell for behavior. We go to heaven or hell based on Christs' behavior and his atonement for our behavior by his sacrificial death on the cross and his subsequent resurrection thereby defeating our enemy, death. For us to go to heaven we need to put our faith and trust in what He freely did for us. It's the easiest thing in the world but almost everybody that's ever lived up to this very day have refused the free gift of life through Christ. There is no sin in Him. Anyone who goes to hell goes willingly by their own choice. |
February 10th, 2017 at 5:07:20 PM permalink | |
rainman Member since: Feb 10, 2017 Threads: 0 Posts: 7 | Well I just got schooled again. :0 Your clarification you both are making claims rings true. My mistake I believe was confusing my own neutral standpoint with Bob's which is actually a claim against. Thanks for your time. |
February 10th, 2017 at 5:26:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So far you've shown no evidence I'm wrong. From two years of reading your attempts at evidence, it seems you believe god hides behind trees and jumps out at people when he feels like it. If you ask him first in prayer, that is. Even then, chances are slim. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
February 10th, 2017 at 5:34:17 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
So why do preachers threaten people with hell in their sermons, if no Xtion is going there. You make no sense.
Nobody who ever lived is going to heaven, not even the millions of Xtions who died over the last 2000 years? I'm not sure you completely grasp what your religion is about. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
February 10th, 2017 at 6:52:44 PM permalink | |
stinkingliberal Member since: Nov 9, 2016 Threads: 17 Posts: 731 |
I don't want to put words in anyone's mouth, but I'd venture to say that Nareed wasn't actually complimenting you. |
February 10th, 2017 at 7:10:26 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Yes, every Xtion claims to be the biggest non deserving sinner, and only hopes they can live up to what Jesus wants of them. It's like a contest, who's is the most undeserving, yet saved, Xtion in the room. Brownie points at the Pearly Gate if you win, apparently. Make a great Parker Bros board game if the rules weren't so confusing. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
February 10th, 2017 at 7:15:00 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
You rarely say anything so close to understanding Christianity, congratulations. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
February 10th, 2017 at 7:19:32 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Oh, I hit the nail on the head with that one. Just like when Xtions give their testimony, it's guy with the grizzliest story, the most pitiful down and out tale, he's the one that gets all the attention. He's the one you all pat on the back and hang on his every word. There are articles out there about this, how so many testimonials are made up grandstanding now, and to knock it off. It's a contest to see who is the 'most saved', and you can't deny it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
February 10th, 2017 at 7:40:17 PM permalink | |
pew Member since: Jan 8, 2013 Threads: 4 Posts: 1232 | There are born again heaven bound redeemed people who don't understand the Gospel rightly. That's why some preachers teach wrong doctrine. It obviously makes no sense to you. That's the point. Your heart is hard. |
February 10th, 2017 at 7:55:06 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But you do understand it rightly, you're one of the few who will get to heaven, then. You must be very proud, thinking of all those Xtions who were suckers and never had a chance. To heck with them, right? Way too complicated for a simple guy like me. At least atheism is easy to understand, and we don't have to go to meetings to be told by other atheists that we aren't doing it correctly. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |