Original Sin?
April 18th, 2014 at 12:00:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
More convenient than ingenious. First you create a problem and magically find a solution for it. Been going on forever.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 18th, 2014 at 1:41:52 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
In my experience the deepest despair and sadness that exists in the world is by far found in the modern, pleasant, wealthy, "civilized", and long lives of the Western world. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 18th, 2014 at 3:24:28 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Which pales in comparison to the despair people lived with for millennia, watching half their children die before the age of 5, their friends dying of infectious disease, and they themselves having a lifespan of 45 years if they were lucky. I'll take modern 'despair' any day. There will always be unhappy people, so what. It's called life. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 22nd, 2014 at 6:26:56 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Paco quoted this in another thread and I thought we should bring it here to discuss it. A couple of things that I took from reading it were: - Sin is just a word used to describe our deliberate refusal to obey right reason. I think this describes why sin is often irrational and that when we spend some time in reflection we often think *facepalm* why did I do that? We let emotions or passions or the lower instincts get the better of us and we do something against what reason, if we really thought about it, would have us do. - We always choose good. Sometimes we choose a good that deformed because it is not in accord with right reason, but nevertheless we do intentionally choose evil. Part of this hearkens back to the beginning of the article talking about evil as a privation of good. We can't choose to do evil because there is nothing to evil, it is absence of light or goodness. Even in our most depraved acts there is a sick and deformed desire towards good. The further away an act is from right reason and the law of God the more evil it is and the more we willingly choose this action and desire it the more guilty we are for it. Anyway just a couple of thoughts, thanks as always Paco! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2014 at 7:09:20 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Who's 'right reason'. And if that's sin, how is a baby born into it. Obviously the concept of sin is far more reaching than 'just a word' to describe a behavior. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 22nd, 2014 at 8:59:36 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
truer words you have never spoken, thank you. In regards to the question of whose right reason? It is our right reason. Even though it does not seem like it at times your reason is no different than mine or anyone else's for that matter. Logic and reason are universals shared by humanity as a whole. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 22nd, 2014 at 9:03:28 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
But sin is not. Sin was concocted to control people in a religion. In this case, the Jewish people. Sin does not exist outside of our minds, how could it. Just because you conceive of something, that doesn't mean it exists. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 23rd, 2014 at 8:06:27 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Sin was not concocted or invented it has always been. It is as real as the concrete things you do wrong and feel bad about. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 23rd, 2014 at 1:03:55 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I've been having this silly argument since before you were born. What you mean is, you hope it's 'always been'. Cause you sure can't prove it exists at all, let alone prove it's always been. That's why the missionaries had such a tough time. The concept of sin is so foreign, so ridiculous, you'd have an easier time convincing natives Santa Claus is real. At least he makes sense, and has a purpose. Sin has no purpose except to enslave the gullible. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 23rd, 2014 at 3:17:16 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I'm begging you, how can I prove it to you? The missionaries had an easy time of converting so many people precisely because EVERYONE is familiar with the concept of sin all too well. We all fall short of even our own standards and ideas. We all make mistakes and feel bad about it. We all wish we could love ourselves and be loved by others and God despite our shortcomings. This is what the Good News of Jesus Christ is all about, freedom from the guilt of sin. The only people who are enslaved are those who stick their head in the sand and think there is no sin. The Christian missionaries came with the gift of freedom and the understanding of the human condition that made sense. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |