Original Sin?

Quote: Nareed

Then why is it funny if I suggest that instead of hearing God/Jesus/The Other Guy, Bush the younger heard "Could it be....SATAN?"

Considering the death, bloodshed, hardship, destruction, waste, expenditures, wounded, maimed, and regional instability which led to even more death, destruction, hardship, maimed and wounded, could it not have been Satan's doing? According to your theology?

See the "Screwtape letters" by C.S. Lewis for some good insight to this question.

Quote: Nareed

Then why is it funny if I suggest that instead of hearing God/Jesus/The Other Guy, Bush the younger heard "Could it be....SATAN?"

Considering the death, bloodshed, hardship, destruction, waste, expenditures, wounded, maimed, and regional instability which led to even more death, destruction, hardship, maimed and wounded, could it not have been Satan's doing? According to your theology?

It certainly could be and there is nothing funny at all about that.

What is funny and deserving of satire is those who see Satan lurking in every corner and the strict fundamentalists and moral police that are quick to condemn anyone but themselves.

Quote: pew

See the "Screwtape letters" by C.S. Lewis for some good insight to this question.

Amen! One of the best books ever written!!!

Quote: Evenbob

The 'evidence' for you of god and
Satan is always 'overwhelming'.
I'm glad the rest of us have evidence
standards higher than they needed
in the 13th century, obviously your
church does not.

One of the clearest things we can all agree on is that for some reason we all do things that we wish we wouldn't and don't do things we want to and realize would be good. What explanation is there for this other than some outside force working on us?

Quote: FrGamble

It certainly could be and there is nothing funny at all about that.

What is funny and deserving of satire is those who see Satan lurking in every corner and the strict fundamentalists and moral police that are quick to condemn anyone but themselves.

It depends. What is your belief regarding Bush the younger? Who made the decision to go to war? Was it God, Satan, or Bush?

Quote: Dalex64

Those three things, scripture, tradition, magesterium, are based on believing that god told things to people. I don't know if Bush talked to someone else or if he didn't. If he did, do you think they told him something other than you are the president and follow your conscience?

Divine Revelation is a completely different thing than our own personal experiences of God. Discerning the will of God in our own prayer life is difficult because of our weakness, sin, our emotional baggage, malformed consciences, ignorance, and our strong desires. Like in all things we need objective standards to realize some things that are obviously not of God. No spiritual director worth their salt would just say follow your conscience, no matter whose conscience it is. You have to subject what you think might be the Holy Spirit to the light of Revelation and since they can never truly contradict each other you can immediately rule out some things as being not from the Holy Spirit. An example in the secular world might be if you decide in your own mind and heart that a developing fetus is not a human being with rights you then have to expose that idea to the light of science and realize that you are objectively wrong.

Quote: Nareed

It depends. What is your belief regarding Bush the younger? Who made the decision to go to war? Was it God, Satan, or Bush?

I can say with confidence it was not God. Every wrong decision is not always directly Satan interfering.

Quote: Nareed

It depends. What is your belief regarding Bush the younger? Who made the decision to go to war? Was it God, Satan, or Bush?

I think it was President Cheney and the deep state. As always, follow the money.

Quote: FrGamble

What explanation is there for this other than some outside force working on us?

See? 13th century reasoning at it's best.
God is at the top of the list for the answer
to any question. Who needs logic and reason,
they are way over rated. Just thank or blame
god or Satan and move on.

Quote: FrGamble

I can say with confidence it was not God. .

I can find 10 god people who would
say differently. You're mistaking your
opinion for actual knowledge again.