Original Sin?

Why do you think a religious person should refuse science? If I'm choking on food I would like the Hemlich maneuver. If I am choking due to sin I will ask the bishop for forgiveness. Both are life threatening. If you and I have the same amount of faith in prayer than we would both believe and know that prayer is the most powerful means to change ourselves and the world. I'm glad you are coming around and I know that secretly you know that atheism is wrong and that you desire to pray to find true happiness in life. (see how it feels to be told what you are thinking).

Quote: FrGamble

Why do you think a religious person should refuse science?

He shouldn't, unless he's a fricking idiot.
The point is, quit trying to make it like
religion and science are some kind of
equals. They are not in any way. Science
rules in every sector of life, religion is
just a fanciful hobby that takes up peoples
spare time. To get anything productive
done in life, they always (always) turn to
science. An atheist has simply gotten
rid of religion because it's useless in any
practical sense.

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religion is just a fanciful hobby that takes up peoples spare time.

No, its a source for societal stability, a child minder, a day care center (at least one day a week) a source of friends and emotional support, a cheap casino (bingo nights and sausage festivals as well as raffles of Baskets of Cheer), a centralized rummage sale, etc. The price paid for instilling 'religious values' is often a child's perpetual belief in the propaganda.

Quote: Fleastiff

No, its a source for societal stability, a child minder, a day care center (at least one day a week) a source of friends and emotional support, a cheap casino (bingo nights and sausage festivals as well as raffles of Baskets of Cheer), a centralized rummage sale, etc. The price paid for instilling 'religious values' is often a child's perpetual belief in the propaganda.

That's what I said, what do you mean 'no'.
It's a hobby that takes up peoples spare
time, you gave the ways it does that.

Hobby usually refers to a chosen activity rather than an instilled one. The items I listed were not just occupational activities but the parentally mandated inducers of the beliefs and the relative permanence of those beliefs.

Quote: Fleastiff

No, its a source for societal stability, a child minder, a day care center (at least one day a week) a source of friends and emotional support, a cheap casino (bingo nights and sausage festivals as well as raffles of Baskets of Cheer), a centralized rummage sale, etc. The price paid for instilling 'religious values' is often a child's perpetual belief in the propaganda.

Are you saying that's a bad thing?

Quote: pew

Are you saying that's a bad thing?

I would prefer the Priest to openly declare:
that the bingo is because the church really doesn't care if they instill bad habits,
that the basket of cheer is because the church really favors alcohol consumption so as to dull their parishoner's brains,
that the sausage festivals have very little sausage, are overly expensive and a neighborhood nuisance,
that the church school is to indoctrinate the children and give their parents relief from the presence of their brats,
that the purpose of the rummage sale is to bring money to the church and not its members.

THEN we could see if the indoctrination lasts or not.

Quote: Fleastiff

I would prefer the Priest to openly declare:
that the bingo is because the church really doesn't care if they instill bad habits,
that the basket of cheer is because the church really favors alcohol consumption so as to dull their parishoner's brains,
that the sausage festivals have very little sausage, are overly expensive and a neighborhood nuisance,
that the church school is to indoctrinate the children and give their parents relief from the presence of their brats,
that the purpose of the rummage sale is to bring money to the church and not its members.

THEN we could see if the indoctrination lasts or not.

People already know that stuff. You're insulting the average Catholics intelligence.

Quote: pew

People already know that stuff.

Then why do they stay? Why does the indoctrination last?

Quote: Fleastiff

I would prefer the Priest to openly declare:
that the bingo is because the church really doesn't care if they instill bad habits,

Bingo is because it is a fairly easy and fun fundraiser. The Church bingos I know of that still exist are fun places with kids running around, no smoking or alcohol. There are fun games and good food. Can you explain more why you think it is a bad habit? Do you think Bingo leads to hardcore gambling addiction?

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that the basket of cheer is because the church really favors alcohol consumption so as to dull their parishoner's brains,

a basket of cheer is because the Church doesn't have anything against alcohol consumption when done responsibly. There are other reasons to drink alcohol than to dull our brains.

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that the sausage festivals have very little sausage, are overly expensive and a neighborhood nuisance,

I don't know about the neighborhood nuisance. We have a carnival every year that the neighborhood fully supports. It brings everybody together and has a lot of fun activities for the whole family and decent entertainment. The neighborhood would be upset if we ever cancelled, they look forward to it. There used to be a lot more of these festivals, carnivals, and block parties. The fact that there aren't so many is a symptom of a problem.

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that the church school is to indoctrinate the children and give their parents relief from the presence of their brats,

Catholic schools often provide the best opportunity in communities for a great quality education in a safe and loving environment. The Church school does teach the faith and does provide before and after care for the kids.

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that the purpose of the rummage sale is to bring money to the church and not its members.

Usually those purchasing things from a rummage sale are parishioners themselves or those who need very inexpensive items. All monies given to a Church is used right there in service of the community.

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THEN we could see if the indoctrination lasts or not.

Someone has indoctrinated you into thinking the worst about the Church. Look again at your assumptions above and how they show a sick prejudice not based on fact that is the hallmark of indoctrination.