Original Sin?

June 14th, 2017 at 11:17:43 AM permalink
Nareed
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This is a grave obligation, which means deliberately not going to Church to receive the Eucharist and worship with the community is a serious sin.


"I don't object to the concept of a deity, but I'm baffled by one who takes attendance." Amy in The Big Bang Theory.
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June 14th, 2017 at 11:27:06 AM permalink
petroglyph
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.....Now in regards to the 3rd commandment. It does apply to Catholics and usually is considered the Sunday Obligation. Sunday, the day after the Sabbath,....
How many commandments does your church have? What is the 4th? Did your church switch the order they come in?

Someone down at corporate should consider that when they change the meanings from the OT into the NT, and then alter the obvious meanings as written it kinda turns away what might be considered open minded, "non faithful". Reminiscent of bait and switch at a car dealer. this is what is offered, but this is what you get
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June 14th, 2017 at 11:32:41 AM permalink
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How many commandments does your church have? What is the 4th? Did your church switch the order they come in?

Someone down at corporate should consider that when they change the meanings from the OT into the NT, and then alter the obvious meanings as written it kinda turns away what might be considered open minded, "non faithful". Reminiscent of bait and switch at a car dealer. this is what is offered, but this is what you get


The two places we find the 10 Commandments are Exodus 20:2-17 and Deut. 5:6-21. There is a difference in the Catholic and Protestant numbering but the commandments are the same. The OT meaning was the Sabbath, which is the same meaning for the early Christians who understood the Day that Christ raised from the dead, the day after the Sabbath, as the new Day of the Lord. I don't see how the meaning of the commandment has been changed greatly. In fact it was important for Jews on the Sabbath to rest and gather together and we do the same today as our elder brothers and sisters in the faith now on Sunday.
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June 14th, 2017 at 11:44:33 AM permalink
Nareed
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The OT meaning was the Sabbath, which is the same meaning for the early Christians who understood the Day that Christ raised from the dead, the day after the Sabbath, as the new Day of the Lord.


Logic dictates that wasn't a day of rest, whereas the prior day was one of ultimate rest.

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In fact it was important for Jews on the Sabbath to rest and gather together and we do the same today as our elder brothers and sisters in the faith now on Sunday.


Oh, no. not even close. there's nothing quite as comical as Orthodox Jews coping with the Sabbath. The irony is they call it a day of rest.
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June 14th, 2017 at 12:08:30 PM permalink
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There is a huge chasm between not sinning and heroic virtue. People can surely keep perfectly holy the Lord's Day and suffer the consequences if they would like to do so, but you can't force that upon them either. People can also chose to in their own way in an imperfect world to do their best to keep Holy the Lord's Day. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think that there should be no allowances for the reality of the world we live in? We have the Bible's heroes and countless saints to inspire heroic action, but not everyone is called to such things. There is the heroic activity of sacrificing what we wish we could do to provide for our families and to serve and help others.


the bold part

you have told us that there is no change in absolute fundamental morality, or something like that.

I figured you couldn't get much more fundamental than the 10 commandments.

However it seems clear the church's position on how serious of a sin it is to work on Sunday has changed over the years.
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June 14th, 2017 at 12:10:54 PM permalink
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However it seems clear the church's position on how serious of a sin it is to work on Sunday has changed over the years.


Since sin doesn't exist and is made
up fantasy, it's easy to move the
goal posts around on it. For sin to
exist, there first has to be a god to
sin against. Which there obviously
is not.
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June 14th, 2017 at 1:55:09 PM permalink
petroglyph
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There is a difference in the Catholic and Protestant numbering but the commandments are the same.
At least slaves used to get a day off.
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June 14th, 2017 at 2:00:44 PM permalink
FrGamble
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The Church's position on the 3rd Commandment hasn't changed nor has the moral laws revealed by God. I think you would be surprised by the leniency granted in moral theology. This should not be read as abandoning the truth but rather having compassion and understanding. There is a difference in saying, "Oh, don't worry about it." And saying, "Let's try to figure out the best way you can live out this Commandment."
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June 14th, 2017 at 2:04:01 PM permalink
FrGamble
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At least slaves used to get a day off.


Every jubilee year all the slaves were freed. Of course you have to understand the difference in the word slave the Scripture uses and the modern conception of slave you are probably thinking of. By the way I heard an alarming claim the other day that the worldwide problem of slavery has never been worse. Let us continue to pray like Moses, "Let my people go!"
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June 14th, 2017 at 2:06:32 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Since sin doesn't exist and is made
up fantasy, it's easy to move the
goal posts around on it. For sin to
exist, there first has to be a god to
sin against. Which there obviously
is not.


Ha, I have to laugh at your ridiculous circle argument here. And from someone who claims to never make a mistake?!? You can still commit a sin even if you don't believe in God, no matter what Webster's dictionary might tell you. If you have injured in any way yourself, others, or society you have sinned.
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