Original Sin?

Quote: Dalex64

I'm not calling it science, they are, and just because you say it isn't science doesn't mean that it isn't science.

There are definitely people who are using science to try to understand consciousness.

Thank you. There are definitely people who are using science to try to understand creation.

Quote: FrGamble

it would be the end of the Church and I'd be on the next plane to Vegas.

So who'd be wrong in this case: the pope, or your three gods?

Heading to Vegas because divorce is now ok seems fitting. Though I believe the traditional spot in Nevada is Reno.

Quote: pew

Thank you. There are definitely people who are using science to try to understand creation.

Oh no, we can't have that, we
can't have science prove there
was no creation and the universe
has been here forever.. lol

What If the Universe Had No Beginning?

"The upshot is that this work eliminates the need for an initial singularity of the Big Bang. That is, it eliminates the need for a single infinitely dense point from which our universe sprang some 13.8 billion years ago... this model predicts that the universe had no beginning. It existed forever.."

http://earthsky.org/space/what-if-the-universe-had-no-beginning

Quote: Evenbob

What If the Universe Had No Beginning?

It's easy to grasp when I don't believe that time "passes". Time just...is, it's spacetime anyway. Time is only relevant to position.
The only time that ever was, is now.

Quote: petroglyph

The only time that ever was, is now.

Or ever will be. Christians cannot grasp that,
it flies in the face of their religion, which
is based on forever punishment and forever
reward. Silliness personified.

Quote: petroglyph

The only time that ever was, is now.

This cannot be true if you think about it. The now is dependent on the past moment that led to the now. That past moment upon another one before it and on it goes. However, it cannot go on forever. Something has to be the first moment upon which every moment up till now depends. Time like everything else is dependent on something else for its existence or to understand it. Any eternal universe would be nonsense like a square circle, there would be no possibility of having a now, a past, or a future.

Quote: Nareed

So who'd be wrong in this case: the pope, or your three gods?

I think it would be the Most Holy Trinity (remember three persons and one God), which is obviously impossible

Quote: FrGamble

However, it cannot go on forever.

Time doesn't 'go on', it simply is.

"The concept of time is simply an illusion made up of human memories, everything that has ever been and ever will be is happening RIGHT NOW."

There is only the present, past and future
are tricks our brain plays on us. This is
why the universe has been here forever,
and so have we. But we can't see it because
we have linear brains. Don't hurt yourself
thinking about it, just relax, you have the
NT to comfort you. (snicker)

Quote: FrGamble

The now is dependent on the past moment that led to the now.

Are you saying that time is linear and flows in one direction? Do you disagree then with General Relativity?

Quote: petroglyph

Are you saying that time is linear and flows in one direction? Do you disagree then with General Relativity?

I'll say this. I ain't gettin' any younger!