Original Sin?
July 18th, 2018 at 8:33:51 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Just remembering Alan Watts. He's one of the reasons I moved to Calif, to meet him. He lived just north of the GG bridge, but died the year before I arrived. I didn't know it, I had no reason to look it up at a library, and there was no internet in the 70's. He was only in his 50's, I just assumed he would be alive. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2018 at 11:47:08 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Bob you keep saying these things about the motivation for Christian evangelization and I don't think you have a clue about what you are talking about. The motivation to spread the Good News of Jesus Christ is because it is true and the greatest help and blessing for this life and the life to come. This kind of answers the question about knowing if it is true or not. Besides the historical truths a person of prayer knows and has deeply experienced the truth of Jesus Christ, the risen Lord and knows His great love for all people. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 19th, 2018 at 12:38:41 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Naw. It has nothing to do with it being true or not. It's all about power and money, just like everything else. You have to say it's because the Church cares, blah blah blah. It's in their best financial interests to keep the base growing, just like Amway does. If you really believe the motivation is caring and love and truth, you aren't as smart as I thought you were. But you woundn't admit it anyway. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2018 at 12:46:50 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I guess you have to say that because your own personal experiences and the influence of others have so prejudiced your view of things. I understand. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 19th, 2018 at 12:56:20 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
It's a fact. Do you think the Chevy dealer talks you into a Chevy because it's the best car out there, like he says it is? No, he does it because it's his job to grow his business and keep his company going. The Church is no different in any way. You have a product, the truth of it has nothing to do with anything. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2018 at 1:24:48 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Exactly my point you think evangelization is like selling a car. It shows your bias and that someone has twisted your mind completely. If you are curious, it is more like introducing someone to your best friend who has changed your life. Jesus is not a product, He is a person and truth is not only why people in a loving relationship with Jesus has grown but continues to do so. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 19th, 2018 at 1:33:13 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
It's exactly like selling anything you believe in, not just cars. Good salesmen believe in their product, it's what makes them good salesmen. You have a weak product, so you have to resort to scare tactics to make sales. Making little kids think they're going to hell, believing in witches and demons and the devil hiding behind every bush. All under the phony guise of that Vatican 4 letter word, 'love'. Lucky for you the old saw of 'a sucker is born every minute' has never changed. When it does, you'll be out of business. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2018 at 5:04:35 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
So it isn't just for power and money, I'm glad even you realize that. It is because I deeply believe Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. I personally know and have seen countless times in my life and the life of others that He is stronger than whatever demons scare people away from God and in the process make their lives so unhappy. You are simply fooling yourself and the epitome of a "sucker" if you don't think there is real evil in this world after the destruction of your soul. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
July 19th, 2018 at 5:15:32 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
It mostly is. If you take a sales class like I did, you can sell things you don't believe in, but it's harder. It's better to pick a car or vacuum you really like. Mormons send their salesmen door to door, your church sent their salesmen to the new world and ruin it. The pope even apologized for the damage they did in the New World. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
July 19th, 2018 at 5:29:01 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | If it is really hard to sell something you don't believe in than by your own statement it would not be mostly people doing that. Did your classes talk about what happens when you sell a product that is no good? There sure is a lot of people who believe in Jesus and when introduced to the life changing relationship with Him are greatly blessed and want to tell others about Him. There were certainly abuses from some missionaries and many from the governments and explorers from Europe. However, how do you think the New World was ruined. Do you think the human sacrifices of the Aztecs should have continued? Do you think the impact of Catholicism and Christianity ruined life in the Americas? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |