Original Sin?

Don't give up Evenbob. I think the more you unsuccessfully try to support atheism and your hatred of the Church the more you realize you are wrong and need to change. Eventually you will but it takes time.

It seems the church didn't like competition. "Furthermore, the lives of sin-eaters were not only lonely but also quite dangerous. Since the Catholic Church had a monopoly on the absolution of sins and the members of the clergy were the only people allowed to perform absolution rituals, sin-eating was outlawed and punishable by death."

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2018/08/06/sin-eaters/

Quote: petroglyph

"Furthermore, the lives of sin-eaters

How silly, you can't eat something
that doesn't exist.

Quote: Evenbob

How silly, you can't eat something
that doesn't exist.

That's what the cracker is for.

I was listening to a podcast on the
thinking atheist. The guy was saying
his dad was a religious nut who was
always 'proving' the Bible's veracity
by quoting from the Bible. He could
never understand why this doesn't
work.

He finally told his dad that if he could
prove the concept of sin was a real
thing, he would believe in god. His
dad thought this was stupid, 'everybody'
knows sin is real. Ok, prove it, show how
it's a real thing in the universe.

Of course his dad couldn't prove it, sin
doesn't exist in reality. He finally stopped
trying, and just shut up about religion.
The god religions walk on a wire so thin
you can topple them off of it without
really trying. But that delusion drilled
into their heads as children, you won't
topple that so easily. That god fantasy
is here to stay.

People's choices to break God's law lead to serious consequences for themselves and/or society. Anyone who doubts this is sin or that it isn't real is not paying attention. Sin may be the most obvious of all Christianity's teachings. That may be why every culture, society, religion, and group have and understand the reality of sin and its very real consequences.

Quote: Evenbob

I was listening to a podcast on the
thinking atheist. The guy was saying
his dad was a religious nut who was
always 'proving' the Bible's veracity
by quoting from the Bible. He could
never understand why this doesn't
work.

He finally told his dad that if he could
prove the concept of sin was a real
thing, he would believe in god. His
dad thought this was stupid, 'everybody'
knows sin is real. Ok, prove it, show how
it's a real thing in the universe.

Of course his dad couldn't prove it, sin
doesn't exist in reality. He finally stopped
trying, and just shut up about religion.

I've got the age thing reversed at my family. The kids got religion and stand firmly planted to defend their beliefs, whatever those are. When there is an opportunity to ask questions, like "how to you explain, the people writing the books of the bible" didn't even start writing it until 50 or so AD, the answer is usually "I don't know". So they don't know, can't explain, but are so entrenched, someone asking questions is taken as an assault of their xtian faith? It's almost like walking on eggshells.

And that is after close to ten years of attending church, faithfully. [pun]

Quote: petroglyph

but are so entrenched, someone asking questions is taken as an assault of their xtian faith? It's almost like walking on eggshells.
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It's because they know their case
for belief is so flimsy. You can
easily piss off and rattle a Xtion
by just being logical and factual
with them. They don't want to
think about that stuff, they don't
want their magical beliefs messed
with.

Question the magic holy water, and
the magic rosary, and the magic sign
of the cross they make, and the magic
candles they light, question any of
that with logic and science and it makes
them nervous. They know deep down
it's superstitious nonsense, but it's too
much work to challenge any of it.

Quote: Evenbob

It's because they know their case
for belief is so flimsy. You can
easily piss off and rattle a Xtion
by just being logical and factual
with them. They don't want to
think about that stuff, they don't
want their magical beliefs messed
with.

"“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, one by one.”

― Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds

I liked to think that it was harmless, this collaborating in groups, mostly on Sunday's. But it's not harmless. If just one two members of a family get the religious "bug", it can drive a wedge between them.

I can't support an organization that protects a wife/child abuser over an beaten woman.

At least the Amish boot the youngsters out when they come of age and tell them to go out and experience life outside the faith. Take a break and see for themselves if they want to live that life style.

The corporate religions don't seem to feel secure about letting their members see another side .

One of the greatest ways to grow in faith is by asking questions and being challenged. It could be that they know there is no new questions to Christianity and that all of them have been asked and answered for hundreds and hundreds of years. For example, pointing out in an oral culture that an event was written about well within the eyewitnesses lifetime is very significant. Also pointing out that the faith was spreading by leaps and bounds in the midst of persecution even during that period is more miraculous. They might not know the answers you are searching for, but they certainly know this is not the first time in Christian history has asked it.

I kind of wish you would ask the question if the Church requires someone to stay in an abusive marriage? You would find that the true answer is no. You don't seem to know what you are railing against.