Original Sin?

Quote: Evenbob

It just points out the ridiculousness of
the religion. Five people can't read a
book on the nature of electricity and
come up with five different takes on it,
each one wildly different. But they sure
can with the NT. It's just demonstrates
the wishy washy nothingness of Xtionity,
there's no 'there' there. (and I only call
people 'padre' if they're actually a real
father)

Bob - yes, I call FrGamble by the nickname "Padre" not because I believe he is my father - nor do I know if he is anyone else's father - nor do I call him "Padre" because I believe he has some connection to a supreme being - I call him "Padre", as I have previously stated, because it is a fun nickname and is meant neither in a derogatory nor a submissive fashion

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar

Bob you are comparing apples to oranges. The physical sciences are different than things like philosophy or theology. Maybe you would better think of it like the Constitution. Such an important document is read in many different ways and is not ridiculous!

Quote: aceofspades

nor do I call him "Padre" because I believe he has some connection to a supreme being -

Good, because he doesn't. 'Padre' offends me
because it's giving power where power hasn't
been earned or deserved. It's like calling a
private in the army 'general'. Not an earned
or deserved title.

Hemingway had a huge ego and started calling
himself 'papa' in his 20's. He was a father
then, but certainly didn't deserve to be called
that by others, not at his age. It was his ego
talking, just like it is in the Church. Maybe a
priest at 70 might have earned the title of
father. But certainly not some fresh faced kid
in his late 20's just out of seminary. And
certainly not some filthy child molesting priest
who makes a mockery out of the title and
is still called 'father' wherever he goes.

padre is the official title to be used in the Navy.

I have thought for quite awhile that hemingway was 'in the closet'

Quote: Fleastiff

I have thought for quite awhile that hemingway was 'in the closet'

Gay? Not hardly, he loved women, loved
them too much.

Quote: Evenbob

Gay? Not hardly, he loved women, loved them too much.

Such as the waitress he threw knives at in a bar in fort Meyers beach?

he spent a great deal of time with other men, often in remote places for extended periods of time.

Quote: Fleastiff

he spent a great deal of time with other men, often in remote places for extended periods of time.

In bars he drank with men, in war
he was alongside soldiers, when
he went to Africa he took one
of his 4 wives with him. He actually
spent a great deal of time alone,
writing and reading. When he died
there were 7000 books in his
library and he'd read every one of
them.

It's been a fantasy in the Gay community
for decades that Hemingway, the mans
man of the 20th century, was really Gay.
He wasn't, but he did discuss genders
and was way ahead of his time. None
of his wives certainly ever accused him of being
Gay, far from it.

There's a good line in Eat Pray Love. She
goes to India for 4 months and lives
in an ashram, trying to find god. The
guru tells her that she is god, and that
god is in her. That everybody is god
and god is in everybody.

Not a silly creator god, not your best
friend god, who sit's out there looking
over you. It's a different god concept
than the one they use in the West.

I first came across this idea in reading
Stranger in a Strange Land in 1962.
Heinlein starts a new religion with
'thou art god' as it's theme. Hinduism
has been teaching it for thousands
of years. There is no god to 'believe in'
because we are god and god is us.

Even an atheist can see the truth in that.

Wow Bob, really nice post. Sometimes you really suprise me.

Quote: Evenbob

Trivia time! Which on is Judas and why?