Original Sin?

October 29th, 2019 at 6:11:52 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob

'Want' has nothing to do with it.


As you point out below want has a lot to do with it. If you've already closed your mind to God I have a surprise for you...you will believe in God. You are like a scientist who wants the world to be flat and so you will ignore any evidence the world is round.

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o you think a scientist does
research because he wants a
certain result? He's sure to get
it if he has that attitude. He has
to be neutral to get the truth.


This truth applies to a lot more than science.
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October 29th, 2019 at 8:35:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
God. You are like a scientist who wants the world to be flat


Not true at all, that's why
I post that analogy. I am
very much open to real
evidence. What I'm not
open to is believing just
because others do, or
because they're aunt
Jean was healed by praying,
or god got them a new
job. That's not evidence
of anything other than
coincidence.

You're the 'wanter' in this
situation. You want me to
be closed minded, that
way you don't have to face
the fact that no evidence
for a god exists.




This truth applies to a lot more than science.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 30th, 2019 at 10:15:09 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
What I'm not
open to is believing just
because others do,


Yet you are most content and eager to believe everything your atheist ex-priest friend says about the Church or that saintly Cardinals in the Church's history are really secret agents for Stalin. You are living proof that want and desire play a huge role in what we choose to believe. You are not open to a belief in God and that is fine, but I would respect you much more if you just admitted it instead of clamoring for evidence that you have shown many times over you do not need to believe.
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October 30th, 2019 at 10:58:15 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
You are not open to a belief in God


I am as equally open to a belief
in god as I am to unicorns and
alien abductions. I see no proof
for any of it but am patiently
waiting, ready to change my
opinion immediately.

I see no purpose for a god,
nor have you ever given one.
He seems like extra baggage
people force themselves to
carry around, for no apparent
reason. It must feel like you're
being crushed all the time,
what a burden. People are
such masochists.

As for stories being trusted,
here's a good example of why
they aren't. 20 years ago a Lear
jet went down in the woods
of NH. To this day the wreckage
has not been found. Over the
years 240 people have contacted
authorities claiming to have
seen the jet go down with their
own eyes. Problem is, they live
as far as 300 miles from the crash
area. Which one should we believe?
You want to believe all of them,
I say believe none of them without
further evidence.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
October 31st, 2019 at 8:00:20 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
I am as equally open to a belief
in god as I am to unicorns and
alien abductions. I see no proof
for any of it but am patiently
waiting, ready to change my
opinion immediately.


Oh how I wish this was true and I'm glad to hear that you want to be open. However, you consistently show you are not. Maybe you could examine your conscience about the disconnect between your behavior and inner desire. You have said multiple times that you deny even the possibility of God, that doesn't sound open. You accept everything an atheist ex-priest friend says and you reject anything an ex-atheist priest friend says. Again, you are not open.

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I see no purpose for a god,


How about the source of all hope and truth? God inspires us to be the best we can be and brings freedom not burdens.

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You want to believe all of them,
I say believe none of them without
further evidence.


Be careful about the reduction to absurdity fallacy in arguing. I think you know I wouldn't want to believe in all of them. People 300 miles away might not be the best witnesses. However, someone who was standing at the crashsite would be good to listen to.
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October 31st, 2019 at 11:19:57 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
You have said multiple times that you deny even the possibility of God


How, by any stretch of the imagination,
would a god be possible in a universe
run by strict laws of physics. Gods
were invented before we knew such
laws existed. These unbreakable laws
cancel out the possibility of gods
and their magical ability to break
them at will.

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God inspires us to be the best we can be and brings freedom not burdens.


Atheists get inspiration just
as often without pretending
it's from a god they invented.
It's telling that you have to
struggle to come up with a
valid purpose for believing
in a god. I'm betting you've
never even thought about it
before. Atheists think about
it all the time, we see no
purpose whatever in it.

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someone who was standing at the crashsite would be good to listen to.


But you don't know where the
crashsite is, so which one do
you believe. You have to throw
all of them out until you get
further evidence.

Same with Xtion 'testimony'.
Without a doubt a most of
it is made up wishful thinking
because none of it can be
proved. The rest is explainable
with random circumstance
or the person just has a screw
loose. It all has to be discarded
until real evidence can be provided.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 1st, 2019 at 11:45:34 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
These unbreakable laws
cancel out the possibility of gods
and their magical ability to break
them at will.


Where did these unbreakable and fine-tuned natural laws come from? It would seem that an infinite universe or one that popped into being from nothing would be a far greater magical break than them being logically created. To say nothing of reincarnation or universal consciousness.



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It's telling that you have to
struggle to come up with a
valid purpose for believing
in a god. I'm betting you've
never even thought about it
before. Atheists think about
it all the time, we see no
purpose whatever in it.


Struggle? My dear sir do you ever struggle to come up with a valid purpose for the purpose of your heart or mind? Not a single day goes by that I am not grateful for the love, mercy, and grace of God.

It is good to hear atheists think about God all the time. You have repeatedly said before that atheists don't even think about the question. I am confident that the more you and others who don't believe seriously think about it you will realize the error of your ways.




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Same with Xtion 'testimony'.
Without a doubt a most of
it is made up wishful thinking
because none of it can be
proved. The rest is explainable
with random circumstance
or the person just has a screw
loose. It all has to be discarded
until real evidence can be provided.


You are speaking form a very far distance from Christianity so it is no wonder you are so very far off base and have to resort to childish insults.
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November 1st, 2019 at 1:07:43 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
It would seem that an infinite universe or one that popped into being


Didn't pop from anywhere, always been here.

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Not a single day goes by that I am not grateful


Why would you think an atheist
isn't grateful. What does a god
belief have to do with being
grateful for things in your life.
You cannot come up with any
purpose in believing in a god.
It's not that I don't want to
believe, as you have accused
me, it's I don't see a point to it.

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It is good to hear atheists think about God


We only think about god in
the context of religion. I asked
my friend the ex priest/atheist
today what would be the purpose
of believing in a god. He said
outside of an organized religion,
he couldn't think of a reason. It
would be a waste of time believing
in something you can't prove exists.

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You are speaking form a very far distance from Christianity .


Not really. Some embellished testimony
encourages more testimony, and soon
you have the dog chasing it's tail.
Very dangerous because none of it
is provable and the gullible, which
is most people, are going to swallow
it as some kind of 'proof'.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
November 1st, 2019 at 1:50:13 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Not a day goes by that I am not immensely grateful for God. I hope and know atheists are grateful for lota of things, but certainly not for God. Be careful not to twist or take what I say out of context.

I think I might have shared with you before the idea that Jesus tells us your life has meaning and purpose at all times, you are worth dying for, and you will live forever. If you get a better deal I suggest you take it.

Let me clarify that I know you don't want to believe. It is the only explination for your behavior and the reason you keep repeating things without, as far as I can tell, even trying to understand what I am saying. It is why you take as gospel strange and false things about the faith and tell me I am wrong or ignore my corrections .
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November 1st, 2019 at 2:07:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
I hope and know atheists are grateful for lota of things, but certainly not for God.


There is no god, why would we be.
We have everything you have, you
just insert a unneeded god in there.

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Jesus tells us your life has meaning and purpose at all times


Life has no meaning other than
the one you give it. You need
to have meaning, so you let
religion boss you around.

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I know you don't want to believe.


I don't believe because there
is nothing to believe in. I see
zero reason or purpose in a
god I can't prove exists. Pick
something you don't believe,
and then apply it to me and
my not believing in god.
See how easy that was?
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.