Original Sin?
October 29th, 2019 at 6:11:52 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
As you point out below want has a lot to do with it. If you've already closed your mind to God I have a surprise for you...you will believe in God. You are like a scientist who wants the world to be flat and so you will ignore any evidence the world is round.
This truth applies to a lot more than science. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 29th, 2019 at 8:35:27 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Not true at all, that's why I post that analogy. I am very much open to real evidence. What I'm not open to is believing just because others do, or because they're aunt Jean was healed by praying, or god got them a new job. That's not evidence of anything other than coincidence. You're the 'wanter' in this situation. You want me to be closed minded, that way you don't have to face the fact that no evidence for a god exists. This truth applies to a lot more than science. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 30th, 2019 at 10:15:09 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Yet you are most content and eager to believe everything your atheist ex-priest friend says about the Church or that saintly Cardinals in the Church's history are really secret agents for Stalin. You are living proof that want and desire play a huge role in what we choose to believe. You are not open to a belief in God and that is fine, but I would respect you much more if you just admitted it instead of clamoring for evidence that you have shown many times over you do not need to believe. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 30th, 2019 at 10:58:15 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I am as equally open to a belief in god as I am to unicorns and alien abductions. I see no proof for any of it but am patiently waiting, ready to change my opinion immediately. I see no purpose for a god, nor have you ever given one. He seems like extra baggage people force themselves to carry around, for no apparent reason. It must feel like you're being crushed all the time, what a burden. People are such masochists. As for stories being trusted, here's a good example of why they aren't. 20 years ago a Lear jet went down in the woods of NH. To this day the wreckage has not been found. Over the years 240 people have contacted authorities claiming to have seen the jet go down with their own eyes. Problem is, they live as far as 300 miles from the crash area. Which one should we believe? You want to believe all of them, I say believe none of them without further evidence. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
October 31st, 2019 at 8:00:20 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Oh how I wish this was true and I'm glad to hear that you want to be open. However, you consistently show you are not. Maybe you could examine your conscience about the disconnect between your behavior and inner desire. You have said multiple times that you deny even the possibility of God, that doesn't sound open. You accept everything an atheist ex-priest friend says and you reject anything an ex-atheist priest friend says. Again, you are not open.
How about the source of all hope and truth? God inspires us to be the best we can be and brings freedom not burdens.
Be careful about the reduction to absurdity fallacy in arguing. I think you know I wouldn't want to believe in all of them. People 300 miles away might not be the best witnesses. However, someone who was standing at the crashsite would be good to listen to. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
October 31st, 2019 at 11:19:57 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
How, by any stretch of the imagination, would a god be possible in a universe run by strict laws of physics. Gods were invented before we knew such laws existed. These unbreakable laws cancel out the possibility of gods and their magical ability to break them at will.
Atheists get inspiration just as often without pretending it's from a god they invented. It's telling that you have to struggle to come up with a valid purpose for believing in a god. I'm betting you've never even thought about it before. Atheists think about it all the time, we see no purpose whatever in it.
But you don't know where the crashsite is, so which one do you believe. You have to throw all of them out until you get further evidence. Same with Xtion 'testimony'. Without a doubt a most of it is made up wishful thinking because none of it can be proved. The rest is explainable with random circumstance or the person just has a screw loose. It all has to be discarded until real evidence can be provided. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 1st, 2019 at 11:45:34 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Where did these unbreakable and fine-tuned natural laws come from? It would seem that an infinite universe or one that popped into being from nothing would be a far greater magical break than them being logically created. To say nothing of reincarnation or universal consciousness.
Struggle? My dear sir do you ever struggle to come up with a valid purpose for the purpose of your heart or mind? Not a single day goes by that I am not grateful for the love, mercy, and grace of God. It is good to hear atheists think about God all the time. You have repeatedly said before that atheists don't even think about the question. I am confident that the more you and others who don't believe seriously think about it you will realize the error of your ways.
You are speaking form a very far distance from Christianity so it is no wonder you are so very far off base and have to resort to childish insults. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 1st, 2019 at 1:07:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Didn't pop from anywhere, always been here.
Why would you think an atheist isn't grateful. What does a god belief have to do with being grateful for things in your life. You cannot come up with any purpose in believing in a god. It's not that I don't want to believe, as you have accused me, it's I don't see a point to it.
We only think about god in the context of religion. I asked my friend the ex priest/atheist today what would be the purpose of believing in a god. He said outside of an organized religion, he couldn't think of a reason. It would be a waste of time believing in something you can't prove exists.
Not really. Some embellished testimony encourages more testimony, and soon you have the dog chasing it's tail. Very dangerous because none of it is provable and the gullible, which is most people, are going to swallow it as some kind of 'proof'. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 1st, 2019 at 1:50:13 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Not a day goes by that I am not immensely grateful for God. I hope and know atheists are grateful for lota of things, but certainly not for God. Be careful not to twist or take what I say out of context. I think I might have shared with you before the idea that Jesus tells us your life has meaning and purpose at all times, you are worth dying for, and you will live forever. If you get a better deal I suggest you take it. Let me clarify that I know you don't want to believe. It is the only explination for your behavior and the reason you keep repeating things without, as far as I can tell, even trying to understand what I am saying. It is why you take as gospel strange and false things about the faith and tell me I am wrong or ignore my corrections . “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 1st, 2019 at 2:07:39 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
There is no god, why would we be. We have everything you have, you just insert a unneeded god in there.
Life has no meaning other than the one you give it. You need to have meaning, so you let religion boss you around.
I don't believe because there is nothing to believe in. I see zero reason or purpose in a god I can't prove exists. Pick something you don't believe, and then apply it to me and my not believing in god. See how easy that was? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |