Original Sin?
November 29th, 2019 at 8:18:09 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | I thought Bob would appreciate this story. https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atheist-gratitude-giving-thanks_n_5dd8094ae4b0913e6f6b9278 One quote from this woman from Grand Rapids: "Since I’ve cut God out of my life, I have so much more room for everyone else." Lots of other stuff in there. Her guilt. Her Catholic parents belief that as an atheist she won't go to heaven. I think she still isn't completely comfortable with being an atheist, but that makes sense as she was taught what to believe from a young age. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
November 29th, 2019 at 8:19:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Of course, she gives god the credit for everything. It's quite maddening to be around her. My wife does it quietly, at least. They were trained to do this as kids, like Pavlov's dogs. They've mistaken the reality they create daily, with what's actually going on. Thanking a god for everything doesn't make him pop magically into existence, The Romans and Greeks worshiped their cartoon gods for centuries and centuries. They were very serious about it, they really believed there lives were run by thse beings they created. Where are they today. Gone into history, a footnote. To be replaced by a streamlined god, a one size fits all god, who is every bit as real as Appolo and Athena and Herclules were. That's to say, not real at all.
Naw. The truth is, there's no supernatural entity that gives a rats behind about us. Why would there or should there be. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
November 30th, 2019 at 9:30:49 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
I guess that is the reality you have made for yourself. It is sad and not the real reality, but I wish you well and am praying for you. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
November 30th, 2019 at 11:08:21 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
With a total lack of proof or evidence, there's no other choice. If we were fathers in Africa and you were a devout Xtion and me an atheist, and our 3 years old sons got malaria, there is is exactly as much chance for my son to survive as yours. Your 'god' is worthless when it comes to anything practical. His 'love' is an empty promise. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 25th, 2020 at 5:52:19 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Something I don't remember FRG ever discussing in all the years w have been talking is, the so-called miracles/magic tricks of Jesus. There have been many NT scholars that have said they wish these events we're not included. They are very hard to explain and very hard to defend. FRG is not alone in not discussing them. Most Christians I've known never mention them, they're embarrassing. It makes no sense that if Jesus was a real person, a god / man, did he would roam the countryside performing magic tricks. It's cheap, it's nonsensical, it's vaudeville. A really Divine person would never do that. He would never walk on water, or wave his hand and stop a storm. Or change water into wine. But he would do that in a myth. In a myth he would do lots of miracles and magic tricks. Just like what happened in the myth of Jesus. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 25th, 2020 at 6:18:17 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
I was raised Roman Catholic and recall priests and Sunday school teachers discussing Jesus walking on water; turning water into wine; the 5 loaves and 2 fishes; and, oh yeah, Jesus rising from the dead. Maybe they stopped teaching these or discussing them...who knows? |
April 25th, 2020 at 7:02:33 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | That you think the miracles of Jesus are magic tricks without a purpose is just sad and shows how little you know about Him. They are real and very important. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 25th, 2020 at 7:51:17 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
My point was Christians like to avoid talking about them because on the face of it the miracles in the NT are ridiculous in today's scientific world. People don't go around today walking on water, nor did they in the time of Jesus. If he had actually done these things it's more likely he would have been executed for being a sorcerer, rather than be applauded for being a god. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 25th, 2020 at 8:15:30 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | He did those things because He is God. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
April 25th, 2020 at 8:15:56 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
Yeah, why did Jesus have to prove himself to humans anyway? God is all powerful, he can force us to obey him - why all the smoke and mirrors? |