Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?

Quote: rxwine

I'm all about getting rid of scammers. Obviously there is always going to be scammers for anything. Scammers for crippled children. Scammers for Jesus. You name IT. So, it's not about some scam, it's about MASSIVE FRAUD.

BUT, guess not. It's just your fantasy. You wish it was a scam.

No, I know it is a scam. See, when the people who believe in it fly in to a meeting in private jets and cruise in SUVs then they pretty much do not really believe in anything about it other than using it as an excuse to take my money and freedom.

Quote: AZDuffman

No, I know it is a scam. See, when the people who believe in it fly in to a meeting in private jets and cruise in SUVs then they pretty much do not really believe in anything about it other than using it as an excuse to take my money and freedom.

I wouldn't waste even a dollar betting on you changing your mind even if every activist lived by the most stringent standards. I'd expect, a comment about respect that he lives what he says, and that's about it.

Quote: AZDuffman

Investigate what? This is how the system is set up. In the 70s it was global cooling. There is a whole industry of places that live off government grants. And yes, if not for the grants they would not produce the "evidence." FOLLOW THE MONEY.

LOL (and I don't use that term lightly). Climate change denial has been funded by the fossil fuel industry for years.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-funds-contrariness-on/
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-53640382
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/13/peabody-energy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-oil/minnesota-sues-exxon-koch-and-api-for-being-deceptive-on-climate-change-idUSKBN23V2XY

but we are supposed to believe that the scientific climate change consensus is the product of a worldwide cabal of lying scientists and research institutions.

Still LOL! FOLLOW THE MONEY. That's just too much.

Quote: JimRockford

LOL (and I don't use that term lightly). Climate change denial has been funded by the fossil fuel industry for years.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/who-funds-contrariness-on/
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-53640382
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/13/peabody-energy-coal-mining-climate-change-denial-funding
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-oil/minnesota-sues-exxon-koch-and-api-for-being-deceptive-on-climate-change-idUSKBN23V2XY

but we are supposed to believe that the scientific climate change consensus is the product of a worldwide cabal of lying scientists and research institutions.

Still LOL! FOLLOW THE MONEY. That's just too much.

Climate change denial does not get near the funding the global warming scam does. Not that it needs funding, just needs intelligent people who do not think like sheep.

Quote: rxwine

I wouldn't waste even a dollar betting on you changing your mind even if every activist lived by the most stringent standards. I'd expect, a comment about respect that he lives what he says, and that's about it.

I don't even understand that sentence. You just believe what they are telling you and never question it. I get it, some people do that. However, when you have people and institutions that have lied about so many things you should question things.

The reason you can't accept the 'scientists' at face value is because they do fudge their results in order to stay in the good books of their closed little community. Don't toe the company line you get shut out of funding and getting tenure. How long have we been told the Antarctic is shrinking? If you are actually interested in the truth here it is.

"According to climate models, rising global temperatures should cause sea ice in both regions to shrink. But observations show that ice extent in the Arctic has shrunk faster than models predicted, and in the Antarctic it has been growing slightly.Dec. 28, 2020"

Quote: AZDuffman

I don't even understand that sentence. You just believe what they are telling you and never question it. I get it, some people do that. However, when you have people and institutions that have lied about so many things you should question things.

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I question plenty of things. Especially the stuff you come up with.

Quote: rxwine

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I question plenty of things. Especially the stuff you come up with.

I pretty much see you blindly accepting whatever the left says is real.

Quote: kenarman

The reason you can't accept the 'scientists' at face value is because they do fudge their results in order to stay in the good books of their closed little community. Don't toe the company line you get shut out of funding and getting tenure. How long have we been told the Antarctic is shrinking? If you are actually interested in the truth here it is.

"According to climate models, rising global temperatures should cause sea ice in both regions to shrink. But observations show that ice extent in the Arctic has shrunk faster than models predicted, and in the Antarctic it has been growing slightly.Dec. 28, 2020"

And the only reason you know this truth is because the same climate scientists reported on it. Growing antarctic sea ice is unexpected, but no one tried to bury it for fear of losing funding. The article that you quoted goes on to talk about how climate scientist Paul Holland is studying it and trying to understand why, but the fact that the models don't perfectly predict the phenomenon does not mean that the basic premise of climate change is wrong. When they figure it out the model will be better.

https://earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/sensing-our-planet/unexpected-ice

Quote: JimRockford

And the only reason you know this truth is because the same climate scientists reported on it. Growing antarctic sea ice is unexpected, but no one tried to bury it for fear of losing funding. The article that you quoted goes on to talk about how climate scientist Paul Holland is studying it and trying to understand why, but the fact that the models don't perfectly predict the phenomenon does not mean that the basic premise of climate change is wrong. When they figure it out the model will be better.

https://earthdata.nasa.gov/learn/sensing-our-planet/unexpected-ice

You actually make my point for me Jim. The actual data doesn't fit their models so they never say that possibly the basic premise is wrong but always find ways to spin it so that is doesn't make them look bad. You see this time and time again when they data doesn't fit their models but never admit that perhaps the sky isn't falling. 3 or 4 years ago (I'm too lazy to look it up) NASA came out for the first time and said Antarctic ice wasn't shrinking but increasing. The total science community called them down and insisted they were wrong. The pressure was so great they were made to retract their statement. Thankfully we have some scientists there that aren't scared to tell the truth and their data is still holding true years later and the published that fact. How does a poor student in University put up with that kind of pressure and survive in the academic world, they can't. Universities were once the hot bed of diverse opinions. Now students and professors are not allowed to be free thinkers. You either follow the group think or you are booted out of the club.