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Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?
February 25th, 2021 at 6:35:37 PM permalink | |
JimRockford Member since: Sep 18, 2015 Threads: 2 Posts: 971 |
The comment about the model's shortcoming not negating the climate change premise is my opinion. I did not mean to imply that it came from the article. I don't pretend to know the science but any explanation for antarctic growing sea ice has to be consistent with the massive amount of data that shows that global temperatures are warming. so you can't just say "well the model doesn't predict this so the global temp must be stable after all". Antarctic land ice is shrinking. the amount of global sea ice is decreasing. Sea levels are rising. They can't spin it they have to do the hard work to test hypotheses with data. Until then they have to say they don't know. Something political types never do. I would be interested to read more about NASA being pressured to retract data if you have a link. If not I will search for it. The mind hungers for that on which it feeds. |
February 25th, 2021 at 7:44:43 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18629 |
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
February 25th, 2021 at 9:01:27 PM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4470 |
The crux of the whole climate change debate is that increasing CO2 is the reason for increasing temperature hence all the rush to carbon free energy. I accept that temperatures are increasing although I don't accept the accuracy of many of the methods used to measure annual historical world wide temperature over centuries. The methodology to show the tie between temperature and CO2 is the multitude of algorithms that are continually tweaked. The current algorithm is always put on a pedestal as though it was a hard fact, we must trust the science, until of course nature proves once again to be unpredictable but don't worry we have it right this time. This why the fact science claimed that Antarctic ice was declining based on modeling and not facts and when this is discovered there are no apologies but spin should make everyone seriously worry about how many other of the so called facts are not hard data. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
February 26th, 2021 at 2:22:52 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
Actually if the model predicts decreasing ice and ice increases the model is completely wrong! In the 70s they were worried about a new ice age. Now they worry we will boil to death. Maybe they should quit predicting the end of the world. Nah, that means they would have to leave the universities and do something productive in the real world. The President is a fink. |
February 26th, 2021 at 2:34:37 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18136 |
You might have credibility with this post if you and the entire left for that matter did not ignore science when it does not suit your positions. Lefties ignore science and for that matter history when it is inconvenient for their message. The President is a fink. |
February 26th, 2021 at 7:09:53 AM permalink | |
JimRockford Member since: Sep 18, 2015 Threads: 2 Posts: 971 |
I read your post and I instinctively looked for a way to change the station on an AM radio. It's as if Rush still lives. (I know you take that as a compliment) All models are wrong. They are approximations of reality. Models are judged by how useful they are and the climate models have not been proved less useful because of the antarctic sea ice phenomenon. To be clear, ice is decreasing. The global volume of ice is decreasing. The global volume of sea ice is decreasing. The volume of the antarctic ice sheet is decreasing. However the volume of antarctic sea ice is slightly increasing but it is more than compensated by the decrease in land ice.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml The mind hungers for that on which it feeds. |
February 26th, 2021 at 7:24:23 AM permalink | |
JimRockford Member since: Sep 18, 2015 Threads: 2 Posts: 971 |
https://www.carbonbrief.org/analysis-how-well-have-climate-models-projected-global-warming The early models are actually proving to be pretty accurate. I don't know what's wrong with continually making them better. The mind hungers for that on which it feeds. |
February 26th, 2021 at 8:10:31 AM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4470 |
I have no confidence that they try to make the models better. Our current scientific community have all staked their careers on human caused climate change. They have multiple ways of tweaking their models to allow for new information. Some versions would support their current position and some will not support that position. Which one do you think they will choose? You might call that "better". You have to ask the question "better" for the truth or "better" for their career. I posted here several years ago the documented case of the 'scientists' changing hard data to better match their models. Contrary scientific opinions that have eventually been proven true and accepted have been suppressed for ever. Don't think that it can't be happening now. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
February 26th, 2021 at 8:23:30 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18629 |
I don't ignore science. For instance I'm fine with the idea that male and female genitalia have a corresponding biological co-relationship. I'd be happy to argue that all day. But science doesn't require we force people to only use them that way. That's something guys like you come up with and want to say "science says" for some reason. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
February 26th, 2021 at 11:53:02 AM permalink | |
JimRockford Member since: Sep 18, 2015 Threads: 2 Posts: 971 |
Care to elaborate? I have seen several mischaracterizations along these lines but I don't know what indecent you are referring to. The mind hungers for that on which it feeds. |