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August 1st, 2020 at 11:39:27 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: AZDuffman
No, you need to understand having a discussion on a forum is not the same as writing a term paper in a post-graduate level class. I have said it here before, a sign of intelligence and mental maturity is being able to talk and understand generalities. The intelligent people I know are able to do this. The ones who try to find some exception are "that guy."


Any general intelligence test you want. Prepare for an ass-kicking.
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August 1st, 2020 at 11:46:02 AM permalink
Mission146
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If I get suspended for that, so be it.

If I have not properly conveyed why at least a minimal degree of nuance is necessary in order to have a meaningful conversation in the last nearly ten years, then I should just accept failure.
"War is the remedy that our enemies have chosen..let us give them all they want." William T. Sherman
August 1st, 2020 at 11:58:37 AM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
It seems like a culture where you get street cred for turning younger folks out. We have seen the predatory behavior of gay priests and BSA leaders. Not everyone can work around kids so it is not a stretch to think on a show like "Ellen" where they feel untouchable there will be predatory behavior. There they know they will be defended.


You quote two organizations where being gay was prohibited (at the time), and where most misconduct was carried out by straight married men (in the case of BSA).....
August 1st, 2020 at 12:00:56 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Evenbob
Like when I say Gay men can
be predatory and somebody
pipes up immediately and says:
'Oh yeah? Well so can STRAIGHT
men!" No kidding, who said they
weren't. Doesn't make what I
stated any less true. I knew lots
of Gay guys in Calif and they
talked and joked about being
predators constantly. Every day.


No, you worded it in a way to imply that gay men were more likely to be predatory:

Quote: Evenbob
I've read she has lots of Gay
men working for her and some
of them were very predatory
on the people under them.
Who would have thought, lol.
August 1st, 2020 at 12:05:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Gandler
No, you worded it in a way to imply that gay men were more likely to be predatory:


No it's not, that's what you
wanted to see. You are the
corrector of every wrong so
you constantly see things
that aren't there.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
August 1st, 2020 at 12:07:38 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Mission146
If I get suspended for that, so be it.

If I have not properly conveyed why at least a minimal degree of nuance is necessary in order to have a meaningful conversation in the last nearly ten years, then I should just accept failure.


He’s like a really strong conservative. He doesn’t do much nuance.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
August 1st, 2020 at 12:21:49 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: Evenbob
No it's not, that's what you
wanted to see. You are the
corrector of every wrong so
you constantly see things
that aren't there.


No, you have long generalized and bashed gay men for being "obsessed" with sex more than straight men... And, insuate that they like sex with minors more than straight men....

This is from the "Gay Thread," 15AUG2019

Quote: Evenbob



The best way to describe it is,
as a group they were obsessed
with sex. You might see that here
and there with a guy, but you
never see it in a group of straight
men. It was a lot of fun joking
with them about it, there was
always a lot of laughing and
pretty good jokes. But just below
that was an air of creepiness
that was undeniable.



Also from 2019:

Quote: Evenbob


I've only said this 400 times in
the last 10 years. I owned a bar
in Santa Barbara that had a
Gay bar in the same block 5 doors
away. Always got a big overflow
crowd from them, looking for
young straight guys they could
turn. At lunch time I had 2
wealthy Gay business owners
come in almost every day.

They were a riot with their stories
about being officers in the AF
in the 50's. They used their rank
to coerce the young men into
just about anything they wanted.

The both had sports cars in their
garage they would let the teens
drive who were living with them
that week or month. I wonder
what happened to them, I wonder
if the weathered the AIDS years.


18AUG2019:

Quote: Evenbob


It's odd when I think about it now. In
the almost 4 years I had the bar it
never occurred to me that the older
Gay guys might get caught with
minors. They were very open about
it and we all knew, they joked about
it constantly. Times were different
then, there was no PC. If a kid wanted
to go with the Gay guy, that was his
business.

This is how it worked. The older guys
had parties every weekend and the
young guys who came regularly got
friends from school to come too. They
were told they didn't have to do anything
and lots of free coke and booze.

Once these young guys were high on
drugs and half drunk they could be
talked into almost anything. They
would talk the kids into letting
themselves be given BJ's, that was
the big thrill for the older Gays. Not
getting, but giving. Giving a straight
16 year old a BJ was what they lived
for.


I find it appalling now, but then I didn't. It
was just an everyday thing. Like drunk
driving. I drove home impaired almost
every night and thought nothing of it.
They didn't do all that much if you
got caught. MADD changed all that
and that's when I got out of the business.

August 1st, 2020 at 12:56:22 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler
You quote two organizations where being gay was prohibited (at the time), and where most misconduct was carried out by straight married men (in the case of BSA).....


They might have been married. But it the went for males they were gay by definition.
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August 1st, 2020 at 1:42:26 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Gandler
No, you have long generalized and bashed gay men for being "obsessed" with sex more than straight men... And, insuate that they like sex with minors more than straight men....

This is from the "Gay Thread," 15AUG2019



Also from 2019:



18AUG2019:

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August 1st, 2020 at 1:57:29 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: AZDuffman
They might have been married. But it the went for males they were gay by definition.


"the quality or characteristic of being sexually attracted solely to people of one's own sex."


At most they were bisexual or else they would not be attracted to their (former? now probably) wives....

Or more likely, just predators who took advantage of the situation? ....