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August 18th, 2017 at 1:50:48 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: rxwine
Concerning confederate statues.


Where are the statues of Benedict Arnold, George III, Lord Cornwallis, John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, John Hinkley, Admiral Yamamoto, Heinrich Himmler, Adolf Hitler, Tokyo Rose, Benito Mussolini, Kaiser Will, and other enemies and traitors like Lee, Jackson, Davies, et. al? Do you want history to be forgotten?

BTW, using commonly found timelines of when most monuments to the Confederacy were erected, it should be permissible for Germany to erect statues to Hitler, Mengele, Himmler, etc. by 2005.

Apparently they've chosen not to do this.
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August 18th, 2017 at 3:01:27 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Concerning confederate statues.

Don't conservatives say, "what's the point of winning if everyone gets a monument?"

Or something like that.


Never heard a conservative say that. Now, if everyone in the military both sides got one you might have more of a point. That does not happen. Not even everyone on the winning side gets a monument.
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August 18th, 2017 at 5:53:14 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Never heard a conservative say that..


Well, they say trophy. Union winners. Confederacy losers. So why does the losing side get a trophy.

You can quibble that a statue in a park is not a trophy. in fact, it's more than a trophy. Better. So losers don't deserve it. In the sense that everyone gets a trophy even if you lose?

Sure everyone gets a grave stone --- but more than that is beyond normal recognition.
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August 18th, 2017 at 6:22:33 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: rxwine
Well, they say trophy. Union winners. Confederacy losers. So why does the losing side get a trophy.

You can quibble that a statue in a park is not a trophy. in fact, it's more than a trophy. Better. So losers don't deserve it. In the sense that everyone gets a trophy even if you lose?


Everyone didn't get a trophy, just some generals who had a good career and made a valiant effort against long odds.

By this are you saying tear down the Vietnam Memorial since we lost? Seems that is what you are saying.
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August 18th, 2017 at 6:41:33 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: AZDuffman
Everyone didn't get a trophy, just some generals who had a good career and made a valiant effort against long odds.

By this are you saying tear down the Vietnam Memorial since we lost? Seems that is what you are saying.



As soon as Vietnam runs the US government the winners can tear it down.
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August 18th, 2017 at 6:56:41 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Sharpton and BLM want to tear down the Jefferson memorial.
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August 18th, 2017 at 7:27:25 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: petroglyph
Sharpton and BLM want to tear down the Jefferson memorial.


I wouldn't do it based on the balance of what Jefferson contributed to the countries foundation against anything else.

However, I would argue that almost everyone has been conditioned most of their life how to think about certain historical figures. Some are literally presented as inviolable even though all had flaws of varying degrees.

We have trouble breaking with the psychological conditioning we had since birth about some of these figures.

The argument against Jefferson has validity though. You can't argue against some facts that weigh against him. (well you can, if you argue against facts)

Personally, I think the arguments for keeping Jefferson are much better than General Lee.
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August 19th, 2017 at 7:34:06 AM permalink
Nareed
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"Steve Bannon declares 'Trump presidency is over' "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/18/steve-bannon-donald-trumps-chief-white-house-strategist-mutual/

So nothing changed due to his ouster.
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August 19th, 2017 at 7:58:48 AM permalink
Dalex64
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These recent stories show that Bannon saw and used Trump as a tool in his own personal agenda.
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August 19th, 2017 at 8:37:36 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: Dalex64
These recent stories show that Bannon saw and used Trump as a tool in his own personal agenda.
The NY stock exchange cheered on the news of Bannon being fired. That's telling
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