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| February 20th, 2018 at 5:52:22 PM permalink | |
| beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
I gotta disagree with you on this, Face, at least from what I'm reading. People, including legislators, gun owners, Dems, and Repubs have all said they are in favor of targeted laws, most heavily, some extraordinarily heavily. Outlaw bump stocks and other modifiers that turn semi-automatics into more efficient killing machines than they are already. Limit magazine size. Close gun show and private sale loopholes No fly, no gun. Anyone on the no-fly list is there for a reason. That same issue should prohibit gun ownership. Ban assault weapons again. Sorry, this one does impinge on the general gun enthusiast some, but how many kids have to die in schools, malls, churches, and nightclubs, at concerts, the movies, or universities, before we recognize that these weapons are a deadly attraction for raging and ill people. I don't have a better answer, some way of measuring who will never abuse the privilege of massive power over masses of people. I wish I did. Find me even one major US gun massacre since Columbine that didn't involve assault weapons, I'll rethink it. Find a way to sort out those who can own them responsibly from those who can't before selling to them, I'll support it. Waiting periods. Background checks. Upper limit of number of guns and rounds. Licensing and testing. I guess maybe some mental illness restrictions, but how many mentally ill people (diagnosed before they massacred) bought and used guns in this way? I think it's all been hindsight. Sounds like maybe this Florida kid was identified as emotionally unstable at 15 - if so, he'd be about the first diagnosed prior to acting out. These are actions WELL short of taking everybody's guns. But the NRA has stopped each and every one as legislation is proposed. To me, that's only one side with a no co-op whatsoever stance. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
| February 20th, 2018 at 6:10:44 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Gun control is never the answer. What did banks used to do to curb gun crime? Have armed guards on duty all the time, it cut robberies to a fraction of what they were. Schools will do the same eventually. Trained armed guards at every public school, private companies, not gov't. Will make school shootings very rare incidents. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 20th, 2018 at 6:19:45 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I believe this is from the Ron Paul Institute? "The United States, through a Non-Governmental Organization (NGO) called The National Endowment for Democracy has spent over $27,000,000 since 2013 in Russia to “promote democracy”. "Former Congressman Ron Paul also argued against NED funding stating that NED has "very little to do with democracy. It is an organization that uses US tax money to actually subvert democracy, by showering funding on favored political parties or movements overseas. It underwrites color-coded ‘people’s revolutions’ overseas that look more like pages out of Lenin’s writings on stealing power than genuine indigenous democratic movements." The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| February 20th, 2018 at 6:27:23 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Texas police chief recommends arming teachers: http://truthinmedia.com/texas-police-chief-advocates-arming-teachers-prevent-shootings/ The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| February 20th, 2018 at 6:28:58 PM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 12532 | What I'm fascinated by is all the right wingers attacking the students who are begging for tougher gun laws. They just lost 17 people at their school, and now many in the GOP are attacking them and calling them paid actors. Just shows you how twisted and evil today's GOP truly is. “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| February 20th, 2018 at 6:32:49 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | If every one of your suggestions is carried out, would you [they] stop trying to take away guns? Do you consider this an assault weapon? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossberg_500 The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| February 20th, 2018 at 7:00:46 PM permalink | |
| YeahBaby Member since: May 24, 2016 Threads: 5 Posts: 364 |
so the dude who gave a "standing ovation" when a person died is calling somebody else evil????????????????/ u have NO shame brotha........................... |
| February 20th, 2018 at 7:02:09 PM permalink | |
| beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
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| February 20th, 2018 at 7:33:23 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 |
Why? He was talking rates of death/injury for gun owners vs drivers. Why would exclude a group of people because they took their own life with a gun? To suit your narrative? Are people who take their own life not gun owners? |
| February 20th, 2018 at 7:39:51 PM permalink | |
| Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
Let me start by making it clear, if I haven't done so numerous times over the years without once ever swaying - I am no fan of the NRA. Not a member, never have been, don't even look to be. I am thankful for their existence because of their defense of the overreach that has occurred, and I think all should be thankful for the real work they do with education, training, and support of what in most cases is responsible gun ownership. But I too am pissed about their suppression, and I absolutely think it's an overreach that does damage for which they should fully be admonished for. That being said, Babs,... while your list varies from the arguable to the obvious, notice every single one is a "take". We could argue whether each take is worth it or not, and there are many on that list you'd undoubtedly win, but they are all takes with no give. Semi's with 30rd mags free on the shelves of Walmart requiring just one photo ID proving age over 18? I see your point. But to make such rifles completely illegal period? That's no "middle". It's the flip side of the same ridiculous coin. And rhetoric aside, that's what I've seen in action. petro's post was not glib, s#$% like the above is absolutely being made illegal under the guise of "removing assault weapons". YOU might just want semi auto's with bump stocks and drum mags off the streets. Noble. But what they end up doing is taking EVERY GD THING. A 5 shot, pump action shotgun is considered an "assault weapon" if it has but a simple extended forward grip. That's not rhetoric, not insane ramblings of a nutter. It's now law here in NY. You've heard me rant before. It's all true, and it's already happened, so it's really hard to take any claims of partisanship as anything other than misplaced hope. As nutty as I come across sometimes, and of course understanding it would require a bit of further discussion and dissection, I could start from the position that "The Right" could begin with the low cap, low rate weapons. Revolvers, pumps, levers and the like. I could dig a progressive licensing structure from there, not unlike my comparison to vehicle law. You want a 30rd semi? OK, but there's more, just like when you wanna drive a motorcycle or a 15 passenger van. Oh, an MG-42 with a belt? Gonna take cash and training, but is is possible and reasonable, just like hauling 40t requires much more responsibility and testing but is possible and reasonable. Couple that with a proper, good faith buy back program and we could be getting somewhere. Get all these funky, fall through the cracks street pieces gone, and get some "both sides" control on the ones remaining, and you might see a difference. But it won't happen. Won't never. Money talks. Now more than ever. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |