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| November 3rd, 2018 at 10:30:53 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
'If?' LOLOLOLOLOLOL If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 10:49:02 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | !Ford's in his flivver, all is right with the world. |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 11:14:20 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18759 | Tallahassee yoga shooter
https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/2018/11/03/gunman-had-history-arrests-grabbing-women/1871941002/ You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 12:13:37 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | The "so what" of it is, I was falsely accused in the past. If it hadn't been for two different people that I hardly knew coming to my defense, I might of went to jail. Without those people bearing witness in my defense, I couldn't really defend myself. People that bare false witness, should be subject to the same possible jail times as those they accuse if they were convicted. It was a real sob, and cost me some money. Had to get lawyers, talk to authority's etc. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 12:35:37 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 |
If a woman lies intentionally, that's a crime. I have no problem with that. Prosecute the intentional liar. My point is that it has nothing to do with Ford. 2 completely separate cases. Its simply not news to me. As to bearing false witness. Sure its a problem. Cop lies, your screwed. I get it Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 12:53:15 PM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | The trial I most remember involved a fight inside a bar. The defendant lied. His witnesses were not even in the bar at the time so they lied about what they supposedly saw, the bartender lied, the prosecutor lied. And in a town so tiny that it has three stop signs but no traffic lights, two bars, one gas station one man testified that he had never met his 'Daughter in Common Law" and did not know what she looked like. I happen to think it was one of the few trials where justice really did prevail. |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 1:29:54 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | Your point may be Ford, but you were quoting my links, which were not about Ford. But I can see how you may have thought that, as they were about Kavanaugh's false accusers. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 3:03:33 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | Pretty funny Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 6:24:51 PM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4497 |
It is not quite that simple terapined. It is quite possible and well documented that you can have 2 people with totally contradicting stories and it is possible that neither believe they are lying. One is obviously not stating what truly happened but memory is not reliable. Lying is not always obvious that is why we have a burden of proof and a assumption of innocence in our judicial system. Lying is not always intentional and that creates huge problems for our judicial system. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| November 3rd, 2018 at 6:39:33 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Explain that to FrG. He thinks because he says he has personal experience with a god, we're all supposed to take it at face value and hit the floor groveling to the god. There's a little thing called proof that he can't quite come up with.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |