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Quote: Evenbob

Wow, you really don't understand any
of this, do you. Once again, it's not
my job to undo what CNN/MS have
inflicted on the public.

So you’re saying all those people didn’t plead guilty to felonies?

Quote: reno

Quote: Evenbob

As The Russia Hoax Begins To Unravel, The Gaslighting Begins

"The Russia hoax is crumbling and people can’t run away fast enough. We’ve seen signs from the very beginning that many of the people who promoted the Trump-Russia collusion smear have always known it was a hoax. The media has started backing away from the Russia collusion hoax, many seem to know a reckoning is coming." https://thefederalist.com/2019/02/14/russia-hoax-begins-unravel-gaslighting-begins/

It's a wonderful week, it's all falling
apart as of course it eventually had
to. You can only keep a lie propped
up for so long.

If it's a hoax, why did George Papadopoulos plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Paul Manafort plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Rick Gates plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Michael Flynn plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Richard Pinedo plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Alex van der Zwaan plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Michael Cohen plead guilty?
If it's a hoax, why did Sam Patten plead guilty?

Thank you for the list! It really is an impressive list. So EIGHT men close to Trump have already plead guilty, but Mueller doesn't have enough to charge Trump with ANYTHING yet? Forget about convict! EIGHT guys who got lighter sentences to sing..... Who were coerced to give information to lessen their penalty.... Yet no DJT indictment. No Kushner indictment. No Eric Trump indictment. No Ivanka indictment. If you got him.... Give him to us!

Fat lady hasn't sung yet.

Quote: SOOPOO

So EIGHT men close to Trump have already plead guilty!

What did they plead guilty to, that's
the thing. It's like 8 underlings of
a Mafia boss pleading guilty to parking
violations and people are puzzled
on why they aren't arresting the boss
for murder. Apples and oranges.

Quote: Evenbob

What did they plead guilty to, that's
the thing. It's like 8 underlings of
a Mafia boss pleading guilty to parking
violations and people are puzzled
on why they aren't arresting the boss
for murder. Apples and oranges.

Exactly - anyone, no matter how intelligent, can be tripped up under oath to make a false statement
Even ye olde 'exculpatory no' is considered lying to the Feds

Quote: SOOPOO

.. Yet no DJT indictment. No Kushner indictment. No Eric Trump indictment. No Ivanka indictment. If you got him.... Give him to us!

Of course not
Law enforcement MUST take their time because they only have one shot at this
Every prosecutor in the country knows this. You never ever rush to charge somebody or there is a good chance you will blow the case.
You are methodical in gathering evidence.
This is just common sense.

Quote: Evenbob

What did they plead guilty to, that's
the thing. It's like 8 underlings of
a Mafia boss pleading guilty to parking
violations and people are puzzled
on why they aren't arresting the boss
for murder. Apples and oranges.

Parking violations? Manafort is looking at 20 years in prison. Or is it 305 years in prison?

Quote: Reuters

In total the statutory maximums suggest a possible prison term of up to 305 years, although Manafort would, if convicted, likely face far fewer years based on federal sentencing guidelines. Three experts polled by Reuters gave estimates ranging from 7 to 12 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

We can ignore those old estimates. The Reuters news article is from 2018. Yesterday, a federal judge found that Manafort breached his plea agreement by lying to prosecutors about matters under investigation. As a result, he faces substantially more prison time. For parking violations, of course.

Quote: aceofspades

Exactly - anyone, no matter how intelligent, can be tripped up under oath to make a false statement.

On August 2, 2016 Paul Manafort & Rick Gates had dinner at The Grand Havana, (a New York cigar club) and during that dinner they handed over secret documents (internal Trump campaign polling data) to a Russian GRU spy named Konstantin Kilimnik. After the documents were exchanged, the 3 men exited the cigar club thru 3 different exits.

So why is Mueller accusing Manafort of breaching his plea deal? Because for 20 months Manafort had insisted to Mueller's office that nothing suspicious happened at the August 2 meeting. In January 2019, Manafort's lawyers accidentally (!) told the court about the Trump campaign polling data that Manafort had given Kiliminik.

Manafort's defense team suggested that the documents were too detailed to be helpful and would have been useless to Kilimnik. "It frankly, to me, is gibberish ... It's not easily understandable," Richard Westling, (Manafort's attorney) said.

Judge Jackson appeared skeptical. "That's what makes it significant and unusual," the judge said.

Quote: reno

Parking violations? Manafort is looking at

You still don't get it. None of it
points to Trump colluding with
the Russian's. The House said
so, and last week the Senate
found zero hint of collusion.
Mueller will obviously find
nothing either.

It's been a hoax from the outset
to cover up all the crimes
Obama's FBI and DoJ committed.
But those chickens will soon
come home to roost..

Quote: Evenbob

You still don't get it. None of it
points to Trump colluding with
the Russian's. The House said
so, and last week the Senate
found zero hint of collusion.
Mueller will obviously find
nothing either.

It's been a hoax from the outset
to cover up all the crimes
Obama's FBI and DoJ committed.
But those chickens will soon
come home to roost..

I think Mueller's report is going implicate Trump in several instances of obstruction of justice. And it may implicate him in what he knew about the connections with Russia and lied about it. Not collusion, but still crimes.