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June 7th, 2019 at 6:57:09 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: odiousgambit
It might be a game of whack-a-mole too, pretty wide there altogether. On the other hand, stopping 100% need not be the goal.



Mexico already has a wall (imagine!) across much of her southern border. Much of that area is very dense jungle, so key is checkpoints on the roads. And make it intolerable for those who cross. Word gets out.
The President is a fink.
June 7th, 2019 at 10:10:17 AM permalink
JimRockford
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Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: odiousgambit
It might be a game of whack-a-mole too, pretty wide there altogether. On the other hand, stopping 100% need not be the goal.



Mexico already has a wall (imagine!) across much of her southern border. Much of that area is very dense jungle, so key is checkpoints on the roads. And make it intolerable for those who cross. Word gets out.

Yes imagine. Look at the few short sections of fence in urban areas on an otherwise imperceptible border and imagine it's a wall.
The mind hungers for that on which it feeds.
June 7th, 2019 at 10:21:29 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: JimRockford
Quote: AZDuffman
Quote: odiousgambit
It might be a game of whack-a-mole too, pretty wide there altogether. On the other hand, stopping 100% need not be the goal.



Mexico already has a wall (imagine!) across much of her southern border. Much of that area is very dense jungle, so key is checkpoints on the roads. And make it intolerable for those who cross. Word gets out.

Yes imagine. Look at the few short sections of fence in urban areas on an otherwise imperceptible border and imagine it's a wall.


I agree, walls work better than fences. Why I want the USA to upgrade.
The President is a fink.
June 7th, 2019 at 2:01:43 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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walls, fences, impenetrable jungles...
Remember how no guns faced the land and there were no patrols on land because the jungle north of Singapore were impenetrable?
The only barrier to entry into the USA via our southern border that has ever worked was The Great Depression.
Land barriers will increase the use of boats and submersibles.
June 7th, 2019 at 2:26:25 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Fleastiff
walls, fences, impenetrable jungles...
Remember how no guns faced the land and there were no patrols on land because the jungle north of Singapore were impenetrable?
The only barrier to entry into the USA via our southern border that has ever worked was The Great Depression.
Land barriers will increase the use of boats and submersibles.


So, you don't lock your door because I can easily break in via the window?
The President is a fink.
June 7th, 2019 at 2:43:25 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: Evenbob
Yeah, 75% still comes from non
renewable and always will. Solar
and wind cost more than they
save and are inefficient as hell
compared to what they cost.


"And always will"? Did you make up that 75% number?

The article was about California. Here's where California got its electricity in 2017:

Natural gas: 34%
Hydro: 17%
Solar: 10%
Wind: 9%
Nuclear: 9%
Geothermal: 4%
Coal: 4%
Biomass: 2%
Oil: less than 1%
Unspecified: 9%

Natural gas + coal + oil = 38%
June 7th, 2019 at 6:07:47 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: reno
Quote: Evenbob
Yeah, 75% still comes from non
renewable and always will. Solar
and wind cost more than they
save and are inefficient as hell
compared to what they cost.


"And always will"? Did you make up that 75% number?

The article was about California. Here's where California got its electricity in 2017:

Natural gas: 34%
Hydro: 17%
Solar: 10%
Wind: 9%
Nuclear: 9%
Geothermal: 4%
Coal: 4%
Biomass: 2%
Oil: less than 1%
Unspecified: 9%

Natural gas + coal + oil = 38%


Since when is natural gas renewable? It is cleaner than oil and I have no problem with using it but it is not renewable.

EDIT I misread your post ignore above.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
June 7th, 2019 at 8:27:11 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: reno
Quote: Evenbob
Yeah, 75% still comes from non
renewable and always will. Solar
and wind cost more than they
save and are inefficient as hell
compared to what they cost.


"And always will"? Did you make up that 75% number?

The article was about California. Here's where California got its electricity in 2017:

Natural gas: 34%
Hydro: 17%
Solar: 10%
Wind: 9%
Nuclear: 9%
Geothermal: 4%
Coal: 4%
Biomass: 2%
Oil: less than 1%
Unspecified: 9%

Natural gas + coal + oil = 38%
That is a lot of creative bookeeping. I suspect with good reason, whoever [California] is making these claims for one, is using "nameplate" megawatt claims and shoving them into this model to claim how green they are? A very large part of this hydro in this model is Hoover dam. California is buying electricity from Nevada and claiming green energy. Ok. When you put gas in your car, can you claim all the gas coming out the nozzle came from Oklahoma?

California is trying to pull some baloney with all these claims about the benefits of wind and solar. They say they are making so much electricity with sunshine that they think they should build a pipeline uphill from Laughlin and pump water back up above Hoover dam and use lake Mead as a battery, storing that now hydro power in the lake to use when there's no sunshine. https://youtu.be/1O2GW9G1h5A

California with the strictest environmental laws is the country, wants to build a twenty mile pipeline and pump water in an amount that the surplus generation being created would pay for that project is silly. It would be much cheaper to just not build so much solar in the first place.
The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW
June 8th, 2019 at 5:09:57 AM permalink
Dalex64
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It isn't about the money.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
June 8th, 2019 at 5:42:05 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Dalex64
It isn't about the money.


It's always about the money.
The President is a fink.