Confessional
December 3rd, 2019 at 8:30:32 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4175 |
Patient doctor confidentiality is not an absolute. If a patient makes a credible threat (I'm going home to kill my wife since I got AIDS from her....) it is the doctor's responsibility to alert the authorities. How does a priest handle a similar situation? Please don't conflate the issue with "I'll try and talk him out of it....". Assume you have a credible threat..... "My daughter was raped by Mr. Jones and I am going to kill him, bye." |
December 3rd, 2019 at 10:31:26 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
There is no such space, we all judge, even priests, and we do it all day long. We judge everything constantly, it's how we fit into daily life. I judge the path I'll take to the kitchen, I'll judge a parking spot before I put the car in, I judge how much to spend at Walmart, on and on and on. And I sure as heck judge people and where they fit in society. So do you, and so does everybody. If you say you have the ability to turn this off, I say you're kidding yourself. Judging is an essential part of survival, you can't turn it off. And why the heck would you want to. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 3rd, 2019 at 10:35:34 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Of course the priest will make a judgement call, because no matter what he says, he's judging just like everybody else. How would he even know right from wrong if he wasn't constantly judging, If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 3rd, 2019 at 10:45:18 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4175 |
I'm not asking if the priest will judge. I'm asking if he will ACT, and thus betray confidentiality. |
December 3rd, 2019 at 11:06:07 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18762 | I nearly always feel bad if I hurt someone unintentionally. Intentionally, no problem. I don’t get the idea of running roughshod over people for no reason. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
December 3rd, 2019 at 11:14:21 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
But do you hunt them down and give a heart felt apology, that's the question. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 3rd, 2019 at 12:23:21 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
How can he act if he's not judging? If he has no judgement as he claims, how will he know to report it? See how ridiculous it all is? Of course he judges, he couldn't shut off the judgement part of his brain if he tried. It's totally tied into the survival instinct. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 3rd, 2019 at 2:07:34 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The seal of confession is absolute. However, the problem is not in regards of keeping things confidential that could happen in the future, but rather keeping secret what has happened in the past. Your last example is not a confession and a confession can never be made for future actions. Since that would not be a confession the seal would not apply. This thread began with a question about the movie "The Irishman" and if you needed felt contrition to be forgiven. I think the movie does a really good job of explaining that contrition, like love, is not ultimately an emotion of the heart but an act of the will. God will certainly forgive anyone who is even imperfectly contrite for their sins. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 3rd, 2019 at 2:11:16 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
No Bob, that is your made up question to try to backtrack from your surprisingly sociopath comments. Maybe this would be a good time to apologize for saying that no body is ever really sorry for their mistakes. You obviously have made one, at least I hope your comments were a mistake. To refresh your memory here is the original question: "Is this possible in Confession? Say I do something bad to keep someone unquestionably bad from doing bad things. I might be sorry I did it, but I will not feel sorry. How would that be handled?" “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 3rd, 2019 at 2:34:37 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
This is what I said: "Nobody is ever really sorry for anything they've done. Oh, they're sorry they got caught, sorry they have to say they're sorry. But they don't really feel sorry." I stand by this. Very very few people feel contrition for what they've done. They have 87 reasons for doing it, lots of others to blame, and if they do say they're sorry it's just words to placate who they're apologizing to. Like the saying goes, prisons are full of totally innocent people. Just ask them. You think the average person walks around all day feeling crushing guilt for the faux paux's they constantly make? They do not. And again, priests make judgement calls all day long, just like everybody else. If you think you can turn that off when you enter the confessional you're deluding yourself. But then, delusion is the bread and butter of your religion. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |