Alicia Silverstone

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July 6th, 2014 at 2:58:25 PM permalink
zippyboy
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Quote: Evenbob
Compare her to a Gary Oldman, who's movies
have mostly made money in the last 20 years. Of course
he's immensely talented, that might have something
to do with it.

Guess you just read his interview in this month's Playboy. Fairly interesting article in there about Phil Ivey too, and his bacc problems.
July 6th, 2014 at 3:01:15 PM permalink
zippyboy
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Quote: AZDuffman
As we have discussed here before, women really can't anchor a film. .... When women do anchor a movie it usually either intentionally or inadvertently becomes a "chick flick" meaning less than half the potential audience will watch as many women don't like chick flicks.

What about Angelina Jolie? She anchors her own action flicks Salt, Lara Croft, Wanted, Maleficent, Mr. and Mrs. Smith...
July 6th, 2014 at 4:16:03 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: zippyboy
What about Angelina Jolie? She anchors her own action flicks Salt, Lara Croft, Wanted, Maleficent, Mr. and Mrs. Smith...


Always will be rare exceptions. FWIW I hated "Salt."
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July 6th, 2014 at 5:46:55 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: zippyboy
What about Angelina Jolie? She anchors her own action flicks Salt, Lara Croft, Wanted, Maleficent, Mr. and Mrs. Smith...


She acted just like a guy in most of those
movies, especially the Croft series. She's
too old for that now, I see her really fading
in the next few years.
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July 6th, 2014 at 10:30:31 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: zippyboy
What about Angelina Jolie? She anchors her own action flicks Salt, Lara Croft, Wanted, Maleficent, Mr. and Mrs. Smith...


Angelina Jolie is often cited as the only exception to the rule.

These 12 actresses are (in order) the ones whose films have made the most money in North America (not adjusting for inflation). If you did adjust for inflation than Julie Andrews and Carrie Fisher would be near the top for Post WWII.
  1. Cameron Diaz-Shrek 2
  2. Emma Watson-Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2)
  3. Julia Roberts-Ocean's Eleven
  4. Helena Bonham Carter - Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2)
  5. Cate Blanchett -Return of the King
  6. Kathy Bates -Titanic
  7. Sigourney Weaver-Avatar
  8. Sandra Bullock-Gravity
  9. Anne Hathaway-The Dark Knight Rises
  10. Natalie Portman -The Phantom Menace
  11. Sally Field-Forrest Gump
  12. Angelina Jolie-Kung Fu Panda


Even though Angelina Jolie is ranked 12th, many of her films were completely dominated by her. Unlike Cameron Diaz who still made most of her haul from the Shrek movies.
July 7th, 2014 at 2:35:56 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
Quote: zippyboy
What about Angelina Jolie? She anchors her own action flicks Salt, Lara Croft, Wanted, Maleficent, Mr. and Mrs. Smith...


Angelina Jolie is often cited as the only exception to the rule.

These 12 actresses are (in order) the ones whose films have made the most money in North America (not adjusting for inflation). If you did adjust for inflation than Julie Andrews and Carrie Fisher would be near the top for Post WWII.
  1. Cameron Diaz-Shrek 2
  2. Emma Watson-Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2)
  3. Julia Roberts-Ocean's Eleven
  4. Helena Bonham Carter - Harry Potter / Deathly Hallows (P2)
  5. Cate Blanchett -Return of the King
  6. Kathy Bates -Titanic
  7. Sigourney Weaver-Avatar
  8. Sandra Bullock-Gravity
  9. Anne Hathaway-The Dark Knight Rises
  10. Natalie Portman -The Phantom Menace
  11. Sally Field-Forrest Gump
  12. Angelina Jolie-Kung Fu Panda


Even though Angelina Jolie is ranked 12th, many of her films were completely dominated by her. Unlike Cameron Diaz who still made most of her haul from the Shrek movies.


I don't know any of the others but 3, 6, and 11 are to me not "their" movies. They are supporting roles outright or part of an ensemble cast.
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July 7th, 2014 at 5:07:22 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
I don't know any of the others but 3, 6, and 11 are to me not "their" movies. They are supporting roles outright or part of an ensemble cast.


Which is why Playboy probably pissed off Gary Oldman by hammering home the point that movies starring him have made over $10 billion in worldwide boxoffice. Tom Hanks, who is probably the greatest boxoffice draw in the world has had his movies sum to $8.4 billion internationally.

But Tom Hanks was leading most of his movies. To get Gary Oldman's total that high they have to use movies that he only had a cameo, plus movies where he was secondary characterl

Up until the year 2000, Julie Roberts was considered the biggest actress in movies. Because she could be the main draw (even though she was usually partnered with a strong male lead). With Erin Brockovich she was the dominant lead, with Aaron Eckhart playing a very supporting role.

But since 2000, Sandra Bullock, Angelina Jolie, and to a lesser extent Anne Hathaway and Natalie Portman, dominated in being the main female draws to a film.
July 7th, 2014 at 11:23:44 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
To get Gary Oldman's total that high they have to use movies that he only had a cameo, plus movies where he was secondary characterl
.


I like Oldman, but few people go to a movie
because he's in it. Nobody went to the Dark
Knight or Harry Potter movies because he
was in them.
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July 7th, 2014 at 8:14:10 PM permalink
Evenbob
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It's odd that Edward Norton has been around
for 20 years and been in less than 30 movies.
Rounders and Fight Club were memorable,
and a few others. He's a good actor, he needs
some better parts.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 7th, 2014 at 10:42:58 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
It's odd that Edward Norton has been around for 20 years and been in less than 30 movies.


There is an interesting comparison between a male and female actor. Demi Moore and Edward Norton. Similar total box office draw, but Demi has been making films for 10 years longer. They both tend to have lead roles in their movies, and generally don't take supporting roles. Demi has big hit Ghost, which Edward does not. They are both considered to be very difficult people.

Edward is extremely well known for his roles in smaller movies like "Death to Smoochy" and "American History X". Demi's movies with small box office return are generally considered failures.

As a celebrity, Demi is much better known than Edward Norton.

Who is the bigger movie star? Who would you rather meet?

Demi Moore
7/13/1990 Ghost $217,631,306
12/11/1992 A Few Good Men $141,340,178
4/9/1993 Indecent Proposal $106,614,059
6/27/2003 Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle $100,830,111
12/9/1994 Disclosure $83,015,089
8/22/1997 G.I. Jane $48,169,156
7/4/1986 About Last Night... $38,702,310
6/28/1985 St. Elmo's Fire $37,803,872
6/28/1996 Striptease $33,109,743
6/1/2007 Mr. Brooks $28,549,298
10/20/1995 Now and Then $27,112,329
2/2/1996 The Juror $22,754,725
4/1/1988 The Seventh Sign $18,875,011
4/19/1991 Mortal Thoughts $18,784,957
2/17/1984 Blame It on Rio $18,644,570
8/8/1986 One Crazy Summer $13,431,806
11/17/2006 Bobby $11,242,801
12/15/1989 We're No Angels $10,555,348
10/13/1995 The Scarlet Letter $10,382,407
10/25/1991 The Butcher's Wife $9,689,816
2/15/1991 Nothing But Trouble $8,479,793
1/2/1987 Wisdom $5,715,174
10/21/2011 Margin Call $5,354,039
11/9/1984 No Small Affair $4,994,094
4/16/2010 The Joneses $1,475,746
3/28/2008 Flawless (2008) $1,200,234
5/26/2000 Passion of Mind $769,272
2/19/2010 Happy Tears $22,464
11/18/2011 Another Happy Day $8,464
$1,025,258,172


Edward Norton
6/13/2008 The Incredible Hulk $134,806,913
8/10/2012 The Bourne Legacy $113,203,870
5/30/2003 The Italian Job $106,128,601
10/4/2002 Red Dragon $93,149,898
7/13/2001 The Score $71,107,711
3/7/2014 The Grand Budapest Hotel $58,722,693
4/5/1996 Primal Fear $56,116,183
5/25/2012 Moonrise Kingdom $45,512,466
8/18/2006 The Illusionist $39,868,642
4/14/2000 Keeping the Faith $37,047,880
10/15/1999 Fight Club $37,030,102
9/11/1998 Rounders $22,912,409
12/27/1996 The People Vs. Larry Flynt $20,300,385
10/24/2008 Pride & Glory $15,740,721
12/19/2002 25th Hour $13,084,595
12/6/1996 Everyone Says I Love You $9,759,200
3/29/2002 Death to Smoochy $8,364,691
12/20/2006 The Painted Veil $8,060,487
10/30/1998 American History X $6,719,864
10/8/2010 Stone $1,810,078
5/5/2006 Down in the Valley $568,932
9/17/2010 Leaves of Grass $70,066
$900,086,387
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