The Ten Worst Passenger Planes Still In Service

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August 8th, 2014 at 10:38:39 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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The Ten Worst Passenger Planes Still In Service25 March 2013
10.) Embraer EMB-120
9.) Yak-42
8.) Tupolev Tu-154
7.) American Eagle's Super ATR
6.) Boeing 737-200
5.) Saab 340
4.) Boeing 757
3.) DC-10
2.) MD-80
1.) Ilyushin Il-62
August 8th, 2014 at 11:05:47 AM permalink
Nareed
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Define "worse."
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
August 11th, 2014 at 2:30:58 PM permalink
DRich
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Yikes, I have flown on all of those except the Russian planes.
August 11th, 2014 at 9:17:28 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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It's difficult to imagine why airlines still operate a 737-200. Their tremendous cost of operations must surely cancel out the finance advantages of the inexpensive operating frame.

It's been a decade since the last 757 was made, but they are increasingly being used for transatlantic routes where a widebody doesn't make financial sense. There have been studies of designing a version of the 737-max to have the range of a 757, but there have been no firm announcements. United flies a 757 from Newark to Stockholm.

Boeing confirms long-haul 757 replacement study was an article written two years ago. Without any direct competition from Airbus, I doubt Boeing feels a strong need to create a competitor to the 787.

Turboprops may be with us for another 10 years. I think some of the airlines like Piedmont are just going to operate them until one day they shut their doors and smaller airports will be left without some options.

MD-80 seem to survive forever. I don't know who flies passengers on DC-10's anymore.
August 12th, 2014 at 11:21:24 AM permalink
DRich
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Allegiant Airlines has been successful using the Md80 as it primary plane. I heard at one time they were buying them for between $2-$4 million apiece. At that price who cares how inefficient they are and how often they need to be serviced.
August 12th, 2014 at 12:12:23 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: DRich
At that price who cares how inefficient they are and how often they need to be serviced.


In the USA some of the old jets were done in by the noise regulations. Maybe Las Vegas doesn't care since most of the buildings are commercial, and hotel rooms are insulated against casino noise anyway.

Small airports tend not to worry about noise regulations either. The jets are too infrequent, there are not that many homes near the airport, and most of jets come during the day when people are less concerned.

But there were dozens of airlines that focused on cost saving by using old jets. There are not that many left anymore. Mexico basically only has Magnicharters, and those jets are not horrifically old (Southwest still flies over a hundred similar models). Vivaaerobus is quickly updating their fleet to newer jets.

Allegiant used to fly very short haul routes only. Now that they are increasing their range, they need to purchase some newer equipment.
August 12th, 2014 at 1:32:56 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Pacomartin


Allegiant used to fly very short haul routes only. Now that they are increasing their range, they need to purchase some newer equipment.


In 2011 they upgraded their fleet by adding 757's. I heard they also now have a few A319's but I haven't seen one yet. the average age of their planes is 23 years old.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:22:23 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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In 2011 they upgraded their fleet by adding 757's. I heard they also now have a few A319's but I haven't seen one yet. the average age of their planes is 23 years old.


The 757's can easily go from Honolulu (HNL-LAS =2550 miles)(HNL-PHX =2910 miles)

MILES (longest scheduled flight involving US airport)
2070 Boeing 737-300
2673 Boeing 737-400
1504 Boeing 737-500
2145 Boeing 737-600
2916 Boeing 737-700/700LR (2704 miles for a US carrier |UA Boston to SFO)
3242 Boeing 737-800 (2874 miles for a US carrier | Anchorage to Hawaii)
2717 Boeing 737-900 (Seattle to Ft Lauderdale)

2704 Airbus Industrie A320-100/200
2552 Airbus Industrie A321

Even though there is a scheduled flight on 737-800 of 3242 miles, they are conducted by Fiji Airlines. The longest flight on a US carrier with a Boeing 737-800 is 2874 miles from Anchorage to Hawaii.
August 13th, 2014 at 1:14:17 AM permalink
1nickelmiracle
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Speaking of airports, I don't live near an airport, but for years the Air Force had a route right over my house. They flew so low, so loud, and was wondering about every time if they were finally going to hit the house. It's over now and someone in Alabama has them now. I did not like it.
August 13th, 2014 at 12:58:21 PM permalink
DRich
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I had no idea the range of a 738 was over 3200 miles and I was on one last week.
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