Charged!! Guilty Without A Court Date...

Quote: ams288

So why don't you ever call out EvenBob and AZDuffman when they lie about this stuff?

You always have a hissy fit when I call Donald illegitimate, but never clap back at them when they spew nonsense that is actually demonstrably false...

That would not be in keeping with RonC's avidly partisan positions. Remember, Trumper lies are just "alternative facts."

The sad fact is that we have a President who lies over half the time he opens his mouth, and he's rarely called out on it, so why should Trumpers be similarly called out? It's a new era of lying, bullshit, and "alternative facts." Yay and hooray for the Orange One!

Quote: stinkingliberal

We van and do change things that are wrong.

We van?

I know. That was a cheap shot. Sorry. I will try to do better.

Quote: stinkingliberal

...can you seriously say that the Electoral College produced a result that is fair?

Yes. The Electoral College is fair. It has been the system since the Constitution was written. The current President may be a lot of things, but he doesn't seem to meet the definition of the writings of the founders of a "tyrant." In spite of all the tirades by people who opposed him, he seems to have some despicable characteristics but he does not appear to be a mad man in any way. There was no reason, this time, for the EC to change the outcome of the election.

Now...should Old Orange become completely unhinged, act like a tyrant, walk around the streets of Washington in his housecoat, fail to wear a tie in the Oval Office, and still have all those horrid Trumpsters vote for him again in 2020 (assuming you can't get them deported to Baffin Island to be eaten by polar bears), it would be in the powers of the EC to "help" the country by electing someone else as President.

The other thing about the EC that your side always seems to forget is that elections are decided by the EC; that means that the candidates contest the election based on the EC. If one candidate can't figure that out and go and visit those places where they need to build support and the other one does, they just might lose the vote. Both candidates knew that going in. It is how we do it here in this country.

It is fair. The rules were known in advance. We, as a nation, can change the rules if we want. We just can't change them at this point to make Hillary President. We have what we have and, if it turns out to be a mistake, we learn from it...and go on from there.

Quote: RonC

We have several other people here for that.

Yes - but it would add more gravitas if you and the other righties who actually do have a sense of shame could call out EB and AZ when they say nonsense like "Donald won in a landslide" or "Donald is beloved by the American people."

Quote: RonC

The current President may be a lot of things, but he doesn't seem to meet the definition of the writings of the founders of a "tyrant." In spite of all the tirades by people who opposed him, he seems to have some despicable characteristics but he does not appear to be a mad man in any way. There was no reason, this time, for the EC to change the outcome of the election.

It wasn't so much whether they did or didn't as whether they would have been expected to. The EC was formed on the premise that they could just chuck the popular vote in the wastebasket and elect somebody totally different, even somebody who hadn't even run for the office, if they deemed it wise. Their function has been changed to that of reportage rather than evaluation, to the point where it's actually illegal for many of them to vote other than the way they're told.

So the EC was formed on the premise that democracy actually sucks, and that the people can't really be trusted to elect their own leaders--a panel of wise men has to review and if necessary, overrule their choices. Don't forget, at that time, the people didn't choose their Senators, either. It makes me laugh when I hear all this conservative talk about the "values of the Founding Fathers." They didn't believe in democracy as we understand it. They believed in an oligarchy of powerful white men governing the country in accordance with their god-given wisdom. Jefferson extended that to include gentlemen farmers, but his views weren't universally accepted.

So the EC is at best an anachronism. Nothing proves that more than that it just recently, utterly failed to do what it was designed to do. I would dispute your contention that at the time the EC voted, Trump had not yet shown that he was unfit for office. But perhaps being an unhinged asshole isn't enough for that. In any event, he has boarded the Impeachment Express and is roaring along at full throttle. So we may see a better mechanism come into play to prevent the country from having a crazy, evil, stupid, incompetent, plutocratic, lazy, orange President.

Then we can work on the long process of crushing Republicans into the dirt where they belong, and abolishing the stupid, worse than useless, dysfunctional Electoral College.

Does that mean you do not care to contribute to the Re-elect the President campaign in 2020 ?

It is a chance to atone for your pasts sins as a Hillary supporter.