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September 8th, 2014 at 9:34:17 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: terapined
But usually round the world travelers try to stay with the same alliance for miles, which Emirates isn't a part of.


I have always thought the special round the world fares would come with too many restrictions to be of value to business travelers.
Have you ever used a RTW fare?
September 9th, 2014 at 4:28:13 AM permalink
terapined
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I only sell RTW fares if a client asks for it.
They don't ask, I don't offer. Its not really a good deal.
They are restrictive, sometimes hard to find availability in the correct class of service on foreign carriers.
If asked, I make sure they are aware of all the restrictions and could be expensive to change in the middle of travel depending on what kind of change and whats available on flight they are trying to change to.
A lot of my travelers don't qualify anyway due to restrictions on these tickets.
Changes are the bread and butter of my business.
Some changes in the middle of travel are easy, some such as RTW fares are a pain to change in the middle of travel.
They are not a great deal anyway, most RTW business class fares I see average around 12k.
My non RTW fares are around 12k but it depends on what they are doing. Sometimes more, sometimes less but usually much easier to change in the middle of travel.
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September 9th, 2014 at 6:44:15 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Don't you ever get someone who wants to fly on a particularly new model jet? I was surprised that B787 Dreamliner has only 11 deliveries to United, and 3 to Air Canada. Of the 183 total delivered most are Africa, Japan, Middle East, Latin America, and Australia.


The A380 was the topic of the original post.
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A380 besides Emirates (88 jets)
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Star Alliance
19 SINGAPORE AIRLINES
12 LUFTHANSA
6 THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL
2 ASIANA AIRLINES
39

One World
12 QANTAS AIRWAYS
6 BRITISH AIRWAYS
6 MALAYSIA AIRLINES
24

Sky Team
10 AIR FRANCE
10 KOREAN AIR
5 CHINA SOUTHERN AIRLINES COMPANY
25
September 9th, 2014 at 9:12:05 AM permalink
terapined
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I have never ever had a request for an A380.
In fact most business travellers dont ask what type of equipment they are booked on.
Its all about times, connections, frequent flier miles and price.
The only equipment I avoid is any plane made in Russia.
Only once did I encounter a traveller that declined a type of equipment, 787, due to the battery issue.
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September 9th, 2014 at 12:54:26 PM permalink
Nareed
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I've picked flights a few times due to the plane that would be used, and have also picked an airline I haven't used before. That's how come I flew in an Aerocalifornia DC-9 before it went bust.

Of course these days options are very limited to a particular small jet...
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September 9th, 2014 at 4:34:41 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: terapined
The only equipment I avoid is any plane made in Russia.


So if airlines start purchasing the Sukhoi Superjet-100, you can tell your customers that the plane is inexpensive because it is manufactured in Russia!



Of course, it may not be equipment. The final report, released 18 December 2012, indicated that the accident was caused by crew members ignoring terrain warnings that they had incorrectly attributed to a database problem. The crew had turned off the terrain warning system and were unaware that they were operating in close proximity to mountains. The crew, including the captain, were engaging in conversation with potential customers as the aircraft impacted the ground.

No survivors.
September 9th, 2014 at 4:53:26 PM permalink
terapined
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Not only do I avoid planes made in Russia.
I also avoid some airlines. Aeroflot and Air India.

Aeroflot because they fly those Russian planes.
Air India because I've had a lot of problems dealing with them and have had travelers with bad experiences.
I do book a lot of 9W Jet Airways, they are my go to airline to bounce people around India.

Just booked a new airport today for the 1st time ever USH. Ushuaia, don't even know how to pronounce it.
I booked AR in and out.
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September 9th, 2014 at 5:11:24 PM permalink
Nareed
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Does anyone have any idea what the historical accident rate is for civilian passenger and cargo planes made in the USSR and Russia?

I think for international service since the 90s Aeroflot's been using Boeing's products.
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September 9th, 2014 at 5:43:33 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
So there will certainly be no major new developments in very big airplanes (over 400 passengers). Both companies are having trouble selling their current design.


Oh, that's a given. I wondered when the A-380 went into service whether it wasn't, quite literally, a living dinosaur.

On the other hand, how is Boeing doing with the 767, 777 and 787? How about airbus with the A-330 and A-340?
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September 10th, 2014 at 12:00:36 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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On the other hand, how is Boeing doing with the 767, 777 and 787? How about airbus with the A-330 and A-340?


Production rate is a lot less than 42-47 per month of the B737 or A320.

Boeing B747-8 and A380 are both built at the rate of 2 per month. A total of 74 B747-8 have been delivered in three years. At present order level, the B747-8 will have to shut down in two years. But by then the bid will be in for the 3 jets for the POTUS. While Boeing may submit the 777 and 787 as alternatives, most people assume that the government won't downsize. Airbus will not submit a bid.

But you don't know how much the companies will drop the price to keep the production line going. A total of 14 new orders for the 747 came in at the end of 2013.

The B767 delivered it's last passenger version last summer. The They have 48 freight versions on order. They will be flying for years yet. Aeromexico's 6 B767's are 24.4-15.8 years old, but they intend to replace all of them with 787's.

The B787 stopped after 50 deliveries because of the burning batteries, but are back up to producing 10 per month. United Airlines is the only USA airline flying the Dreamliner, and they have only 11 deliveries. American/Delta/United only placed 125 orders (12% of the total). The plane will be much more common in Africa and Latin America than in the USA. Aeromexico's 5 B787's and 1 Presidential jet are leased, but they intend to buy 8 new ones.

Ethiopian Airlines is putting 270 seats in their B787 with All Nippon Air and United Airlines putting 220 seats. But ANA has more indulgent versions with only 158 seats. Air India has 256 seats, but is publicly complaining that the jet uses more fuel than advertised and they want a refund on their price.

As of today B787 has 183 deliveries, but production is 10 per month. A380 has 140 deliveries, but production is 2 per month.

The A340 is not being made anymore. The A330 has only 230 unfilled orders (produces 10 per month). Airbus has a healthy 750 orders for the A350 which has not delivered yet.

The B777 has 573 unfilled orders but only 6 from American/Delta/United. They have received 137 deliveries up to now.
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