Scottish independence -- How would you vote?

Quote: kenarman

Yes the smaller polling areas will be more rural and likely more conservative and more likely to vote NO. The YES vote will attract those that are unhappy with the world and feel any change has to be better than what they have.

But traditionally these have also been the areas that have had a cultural identity of Scottish-ness... the '45 uprising (yeah, 1745) came from these rural communities in general, not from the towns.

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Not to make light of the centuries of differences between Scotland and England but I think it is partially a reflection of the world wide changes in the balance of power going from the West to the East. As this progresses and accelerates the West's standard of living is going continue to fall. People will be madder than hell and looking for someone to blame.

The SNP are a left wing movement, unlike many other nationalist parties who are often right wing. They are democratic socialists, in general, and I mean that in the European sense of the word, not the socialism accusation thrown at Obama and the US Democrats. The Scots will often blame and resent the English Tories (for good and bad reasons), but it seems that the majority see regional rule as enough separatism. As I've infered when talking about Scottish oil, I'm not convinced that the economy there would have been in good hands with Salmond in charge. I also would expect the SNP to split after seperatism, with the socialist side and the more nationalist side going different directions policy wise.

Personally, I'm happy with the result, it saves my mother a lot of confusion and trouble over the next few years, and my father, though a proud Scot was also a glad to be part of the larger whole. I would welcome a more provincial style of government in the UK and devolution of power, and also a removal of the Scots MP's ability to vote on matters that do not affect Scotland (as Scottish MPs get to decide on quite a broad range of matters). I do think there is a case for a English Assembly, but I doubt it'll happen any time soon.

This whole thing is boring beyond belief.
It's like Montana voting to succeed. WHO
CARES!

Quote: TheCesspit

Of course, some people think Oil is produced from the carbon remaining in the earth's crust and not from dead animals, so the reserves are to some extent reprehensible. The cross section of people who believe this and the young earth theory of creation is large.

Count me as one who believes the former. The more and more I look at it the more and more sense it makes that dinosaurs did not end up miles below the surface of the earth to leave carbon behind. The weight of carbon needed alone makes me think we need to start considering how oil was formed.

Quote: kenarman

Last survey poll had the NO at 53% which is probably enough to defeat independence but still very close.

55.3% vote 'No'
44.7% vote 'Yes'

Quote: Evenbob

This whole thing is boring beyond belief.
It's like Montana voting to succeed. WHO
CARES!

The Scots care. Clearly you didn't. That's fine. You told us twice. But obviously you cared enough to tell us that we needed to know about your apathy. Thanks for the input, Michigan. Really important contribution you just made. I'm glad you write for yourself, and had the opportunity to express your thoughts in this medium to let us all know what was rattling around in that head of yours. I'll get on the phone later and let the Scots know what you think. I suspect Salmond will let his supporters know it's time to close up the SNP and forget about it all, because it's just not entertaining.

You know what real adults do when a subject is of no interest? The move on, and let the those interested in. Only children sit there interupting conversations with 'I'm bored, you are boring'.

It's not like you couldn't have blocked the thread. But nope, you wanted to come in here and let us know you didn't care. That's the behaviour of an attention seeker, you know.

Quote: Pacomartin

55.3% vote 'No'
44.7% vote 'Yes'

The fact that Glasgow wasn't a resounding yes shows that the SNP just didn't have enough support even in the big cities. Edinburgh voted NO. The seat of the parliament itself, but a much more well-off town and home to the finance industry who were very nervous about independence.

Final results were 55.3% NO, 44.7% YES. 84.5% voter turn out, which is the biggest there's ever been in Scotland.

Quote: AZDuffman

Count me as one who believes the former. The more and more I look at it the more and more sense it makes that dinosaurs did not end up miles below the surface of the earth to leave carbon behind. The weight of carbon needed alone makes me think we need to start considering how oil was formed.

People have doine various research on the topic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenic_petroleum_origin

It's not a question that hasn't been considered already, and there's some vague roots that there might be sources of hydrocarbon fuels beyond pure bio-mass rotting down.

Quote: TheCesspit

The Scots care. Clearly you didn't. That's fine. You told us twice. But obviously you cared enough to tell us that we needed to know about your apathy. Thanks for the input, Michigan. Really important contribution you just made. I'm glad you write for yourself, and had the opportunity to express your thoughts in this medium to let us all know what was rattling around in that head of yours. I'll get on the phone later and let the Scots know what you think. I suspect Salmond will let his supporters know it's time to close up the SNP and forget about it all, because it's just not entertaining.

You know what real adults do when a subject is of no interest? The move on, and let the those interested in. Only children sit there interupting conversations with 'I'm bored, you are boring'.

It's not like you couldn't have blocked the thread. But nope, you wanted to come in here and let us know you didn't care. That's the behaviour of an attention seeker, you know.

I lol'd reading this, literally. Chuckled, anyway. I love
pointing out the obvious, I'm really good at it.
It disappeared from Drudge in record time, even
he wasn't interested. I've been to Scotland, it's
hilly and cold and they talk even funnier English
than they do in N Carolina. And like Montana,
almost nobody lives there for the sq miles they
have. So now England gets to leave their nukes
right where they were, that's what this was all
about.

Quote: Evenbob

I lol'd reading this, literally. Chuckled, anyway. I love
pointing out the obvious, I'm really good at it.
It disappeared from Drudge in record time, even
he wasn't interested. I've been to Scotland, it's
hilly and cold and they talk even funnier English
than they do in N Carolina. And like Montana,
almost nobody lives there for the sq miles they
have. So now England gets to leave their nukes
right where they were, that's what this was all
about.

Scotland has 67 people per square km. That would put them 18th on the list of states by population density. By your definition EB nobody lives in 2/3 of the USA.

Don't worry, Bob's showing his miserableness of spirit and ignorance of the world.

There's no wising up chumps.