Emirates Granted "Fifth Freedom Rights" For Milan-New York Flights

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March 14th, 2018 at 5:02:28 PM permalink
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Anyone can get on QF11 from LAX-JFK provided they have an international itinerary with Qantas. They do not need to be connecting immediately in LAX. IE You can fly to LAX, stay for a week, then jump on QF11 to JFK provided it is all on the same itinerary. So they will likely be able to fill some seats with people holidaying/working on the west coast before continuing on to the east coast.

That said, I have been on this flight and it is fairly light load. The upper deck business cabin can usually not be selected for seating for example. They currently fly a 747 but will shortly be changing to a 787 which will reduce capacity and likely make it more financially viable anyway.
March 14th, 2018 at 7:11:20 PM permalink
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Quote: Aussie
Anyone can get on QF11 from LAX-JFK provided they have an international itinerary with Qantas. They do not need to be connecting immediately in LAX. IE You can fly to LAX, stay for a week, then jump on QF11 to JFK provided it is all on the same itinerary. So they will likely be able to fill some seats with people holidaying/working on the west coast before continuing on to the east coast.


I didn't know that.

Quote: Aussie
That said, I have been on this flight and it is fairly light load. The upper deck business cabin can usually not be selected for seating for example. They currently fly a 747 but will shortly be changing to a 787 which will reduce capacity and likely make it more financially viable anyway.


Well it is difficult to fill a flight like that. Normally if LAX and JFK were in different countries the airline could sell tickets to locals to keep the load factor high. Sometimes such flights can be a real bargain either in price or in level of service.

But a Qantas Boeing 747-400ER has 364 seats while a Boeing 787–9 has only 236 seats.

But if Qantas gets its wish and there is a jet in the next few years that will permit them to fly from Sydney to JFK nonstop with a passenger load that they like, then they will have to keep a 737-800 with 174 seats at LAX to fly the rest of the people to JFK.

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LAX is the primary gateway to Asia. The FCC should consider allowing some of the foreign airlines to pick up local passengers at LAX and flying through to another US city. Not a blanket 9th freedom, but specific to LAX.

American Airlines Beijing–Capital, Hong Kong, Shanghai–Pudong, Sydney, Tokyo–Haneda, Tokyo–Narita
Delta Air Lines Shanghai–Pudong, Sydney, Tokyo–Haneda
United Airlines Shanghai–Pudong, Singapore, Sydney, Tokyo–Narita

Aeroflot Moscow–Sheremetyevo
Air China Beijing–Capital, Shenzhen
Air New Zealand Auckland, Rarotonga
Air Tahiti Nui Papeete
All Nippon Airways Tokyo–Haneda, Tokyo–Narita
Asiana Airlines Seoul–Incheon
Cathay Pacific Hong Kong
China Airlines Taipei–Taoyuan
China Eastern Airlines Nanjing, Shanghai–Pudong
China Southern Airlines Guangzhou
EVA Air Taipei–Taoyuan
Fiji Airways Nadi
Hainan Airlines Changsha, Chengdu, Chongqing
Hong Kong Airlines Hong Kong
Japan Airlines Osaka–Kansai, Tokyo–Narita
Korean Air Seoul–Incheon
Qantas Brisbane, Melbourne–Tullamarine, Sydney
Sichuan Airlines Chengdu, Hangzhou, Jinan
Singapore Airlines Seoul–Incheon, Singapore, Tokyo–Narita
XiamenAir Qingdao, Xiamen
March 14th, 2018 at 7:26:03 PM permalink
Aussie
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I reckon it wouldn’t be much fun having to jump straight into a 737 for a transcon flight after completing a 14hr transpacific flight. I doubt that would get them many glowing reviews.

I think a lot will hinge on the outcome of the AA joint venture proposal. If they were allowed to codeshare with AA then perhaps they would choose to send PAX from LAX-JFK that way.
March 14th, 2018 at 8:13:51 PM permalink
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American and Qantas want Anti Trust Immunity so that they can go 50/50 partners. It's the same with Delta and Aeromexico. They don't want to be accused of price fixing.
American began flights from LAX to Sydney two years ago.
http://aviationweek.com/awincommercial/qantas-american-develop-case-new-ati-push

Essay : Say, “No” to the American and Qantas Joint Venture by Charlie Leocha | Mar 8, 2018
https://www.travelersunited.org/antitrust-immunity/american-qantas-joint-venture/

The first ultra long range twin engine A350 (280 tonne MTOW) made it's first flight a few weeks ago.


The Singapore to Newark flight (8,285 nmi) was done with a 4 engine jet from 2004-2013. a normal A350-900 can fly 8,300 nmi in still air and the Ultra Long Range variant will permit flights as long 9,700 nautical miles in still air. The A350-900 has an exit limit of 440 seats but is normally flown with 315-325 seats. Singapore Air plans for only 175 seats on the SIN-EWR route.

United converted their Airbus order from 35 A350-1000 to 45 A350-900. It does allow them the option of changing some of these jets to Ultra Long Range variant to establish an EWR-SYD route. Qantas has not ordered any A350-900 jets at this time.


SYD-JFK is 361 nm longer than SIN-EWR. SYD-EWR is 344 nmi longer than SIN-EWR. AKL-EWR is 629 nmi closer. However, the Trans Pacific flight will encounter greater trade winds.

Air New Zealand may procure some A350-900ULR aircraft and fly from Auckland to Newark. Currently they only fly to Houston. Presumably they will coordinate flights to Sydney, Melbourne, and Brisbane with this flight.
March 15th, 2018 at 9:12:59 AM permalink
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Quote: Aussie
Anyone can get on QF11 from LAX-JFK provided they have an international itinerary with Qantas. They do not need to be connecting immediately in LAX. IE You can fly to LAX, stay for a week, then jump on QF11 to JFK provided it is all on the same itinerary. So they will likely be able to fill some seats with people holidaying/working on the west coast before continuing on to the east coast.


Could you do LAX-JFK-LAX-SYD?
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March 15th, 2018 at 9:35:01 AM permalink
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That's a great illustration of how vast, and how empty, the Pacific is. Think about proto-Polynesians crossing much of that in small canoes.

We should have a continent int he middle of all that emptiness. it would be a great help.
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March 15th, 2018 at 10:49:31 AM permalink
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That's a great illustration of how vast, and how empty, the Pacific is. Think about proto-Polynesians crossing much of that in small canoes.

We should have a continent int he middle of all that emptiness. it would be a great help.


The Land and Water Hemispheres is the circumference that divides the planet into two hemisphere with the greatest and leastpercentage of land

The Water Hemisphere has only about one-eighth of the world's land, including Australia, New Zealand, Antarctica, Hawaii, the Maritime Southeast Asia, and the Southern Cone of the Americas. Most of the Pacific Ocean and the Indian Ocean are on the water hemisphere. Proportionately, the Water Hemisphere is approximately 89% water, 6% dry land and 5% polar icecap.

One of the few flights in the Water Hemisphere is Auckland to Santiago Chile. The LAX-SYD flight is primarily in the Water Hemisphere.

The closest two big cities to ANTIPODES are Buenos Aires and Shanghai. Of course no commercial plane can come close to this range.



A quarter turn of the earth is 90 degrees * 60 minutes/degree = 5,400 nm

As London is close to the center of the Land Hemisphere British Airways seldom has to venture further than a quarter turn of the globe (primarily Southern Cone and Singapore) but Qantas is going to shortly include Perth.


LHR LAX 4,741 nm California
LHR ICN 4,797 nm Korea
LHR MEX 4,815 nm Mexico
LHR RGN 4,861 nm Rangoon, Burma
LHR JNB 4,884 nm South Africa
LHR TNR 4,899 nm Madagascar
LHR UIO 4,955 nm Ecuador
LHR GIG 4,984 nm Rio de Janeiro
LHR NRT 5,192 nm Tokyo
LHR HKG 5,210 nm Hong Kong

Honolulu Sao Paulo, Santiago, Singapore, and Australia and New Zealand outside of land hemisphere
March 15th, 2018 at 2:26:40 PM permalink
Nareed
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The Land and Water Hemispheres is the circumference that divides the planet into two hemisphere with the greatest and leastpercentage of land


But that is both accidental and temporary. at one time all the land was in one mass. At other times there were inland seas. And so on.

Of course, we'll have to wait for the continents to creep along in who knows what fashion. Unless we are willing to pay trillions of dollars (or more) to import new land from outside the Earth.
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March 15th, 2018 at 2:38:03 PM permalink
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But that is both accidental and temporary. at one time all the land was in one mass.


Just think, there would be no Age of Discovery, or possibly no concept of races of man.

I wonder where the North pole would have been?
March 15th, 2018 at 8:32:17 PM permalink
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Could you do LAX-JFK-LAX-SYD?




Good question. Not sure but I will find out.
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