Pope Francis
May 28th, 2018 at 1:56:16 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | The Church has always been run by sinful men, thank God there is a Holy Spirit. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 28th, 2018 at 2:10:01 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 188 Posts: 18631 | So you have nothing to add that Jesus also never built any physical ornate churches? Why doesn't the Pope forbid it since Jesus never actually did it. Oh sure he respected them as he did women, but if the point is he never did something you can't allow it. And one thing I know about Mary, a human, is you only appointed humans to be apostles who are gone, and no human to represent all that respect you supposedly have for Mary. If the nuns are it, they certainly need one equal to the pope. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
May 28th, 2018 at 2:16:32 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
That "very biased site" has extensive excerpts from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decretum_Gratiani which was the church canon law from the 12th century until 1918. You can dismiss sites like that all you want - of course they have an agenda - but in this case they are using the canon of the church. I didn't make up the words, the site didn't make up the words, they were from a book that for a time was considered the collection of church law. The book itself may not have been an official church publication, but it contained them! "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 28th, 2018 at 2:27:12 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I'm not dismissing the website only acknowledging that it needs to balanced out, as you know and have done. The decree is what I am dismissing as any official document of the Church approved by the Pope. This is obvious if the document says something against Church teaching for thousands of years. I've never studied it myself and maybe I heard of it in some history class, but trust me you nor any website should be using it as Church teaching. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 28th, 2018 at 3:02:55 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Only Vatican approved material may be used, right? I love it when the Church talks about 'balance'. You can find books on diaries kept by priests during the Inquisition's and the Church squeals in indignation and anger that they aren't 'balanced' because the Vatican doesn't get to include their rewrite of history in them. Oh well, sometimes the truth gets out despite their best attempts to quash it.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 28th, 2018 at 3:07:05 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Please don't pretend you care at all about balance or truth. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 28th, 2018 at 3:31:33 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
I care about history, what does balance have to do with anything. History isn't about balance, it's about what happened, they way it happened. The Church wants to editorialize it's history, not report it. Sorry, you don't get to do that. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 28th, 2018 at 3:44:49 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | History is a search for truth. You have shown over and over again you are only interested in history that you want to believe. An unbalanced and prejudiced view of history. Just look at your sources and ask yourself if they are balanced or have a certain agenda to push that you buy hook, line, and sinker. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 28th, 2018 at 4:24:06 PM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 22 Posts: 4157 | FrG.... I have read the last gazillion pages of this thread..... If I was you I would answer the question of why there are only male priests this way..... Because that is the will of God. I can only make a guess as to why that is, but I can't know the answer for sure. But it is not because women are inferior. It might be because women are needed to bear children and would not be able to perform priestly duties while also being mothers. No one thinks man is 'inferior' to woman because man cannot bear children. Just that God made man and woman different, not one superior or inferior. I actually don't believe what I wrote, by the way. I tend more to agree with EvenBob, that the Church has always been male dominated (as was society in general) and the Church has not changed with the times as fast as the overall developed world society has. |
May 28th, 2018 at 4:32:20 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Good answer SOOPOO hopefully that will satisfy Evenbob. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |