Pope Francis

Quote: Evenbob

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11688994/The-Pope-joins-the-EU-in-a-sad-world-of-make-believe.html

An article by Christopher Booker lol
Are you kidding me.
The guy does not believe in evolution. How about an article link from someone of intelligence.
Wouldn't surprise me if he belongs to the flat earth society :-)

Quote: Evenbob

The outside world is no longer listening to this claptrap. But it is not just the world outside the West which is beginning to call the shots.

"no longer listening to this claptrap"
Are you kidding me?
The pope is visiting the USA Sep 22.
I predict rock star crowds listening.
Congress will definitly be listening, he addresses them Sep 24
The UN will be listening, he speaks there Sep 25.

Quote: terapined

I predict rock star crowds listening.

That's preaching inside the echo chamber.

Quote:

Congress will definitly be listening, he addresses them Sep 24

And they will because of the large echo chamber.

"Freedom is not always about doing what you want. In fact it is the gift of being able to choose the right way." Pope Francis

Why is everything a 'gift' with this religion.
If you look at everything that way, as 'gifts',
you feel the burden of guilt to the giver,
that's why. Only is this case, there is no giver,
there is no god giving anybody anything. There
is no need to feel the pressure of insidious
guilt over something made up to instill the guilt
in you.

I'm guessing you are a glass half empty type of guy.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm guessing you are a glass half empty type of guy.

I just don't like it when people are guilted for
the reason of having power over them.
If my mother would say to me, play easy
with that toy, it was a gift from your aunt,
don't break it. She was instilling guilt in
me to make me play nice with the toy. If
I broke it I would feel huge guilt.

The Church is no different. By claiming all you
have is a 'gift' from some god, they constantly
remind you of your debt to said god. The
Church uses this as leverage to keep you in
line.

You'll never admit it, but you know I'm correct.

Pope Says Church Should Ask Forgiveness From Gays For Past Treatment

So does this mean Gays can get married
in the Church? If not it's just more
meaningless hot wind from the Vatican.
"Oh please forgive us, but nothing has
changed or will change" More Christian
'love' at it's ugliest.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-says-church-ask-forgiveness-gays-past-treatment-203628573.html

Get the pope on his plane on a long flight,
have a few glasses of wine, and the Vatican
goes into full bore defense mode after
he talks the ear off the press for the whole
trip.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/pope-says-church-ask-forgiveness-gays-past-treatment-203628573.html

Quote: Evenbob

The Pope rants and raves about unfettered capitalism ruining the world, and the rich countries have to share their wealth
with all the poor countries they've ruined by making the planet warmer.

More likely its that the rich countries have to give money to the
Catholic Church which will give it to the poor after the priests are through giving it to the altar boys and their congregations.

So the pope claims the church owes the LGBTQI people an apology, which he diluted with many other groups involved as well, notably women (I suppose it's fair, as the church has wronged many people in many ways). And he's received a lot of praise for doing so.

I think it's a very tiny first half-step.

See, while he says this, the church continues to oppress and do wrong for women and LGBTQI people anyway. This isn't like an abusive husband feeling remorse and apologizing after he beats his wife, but rather an abusive husband saying how sorry he is while he continues to beat his wife.

What use is an apology if you'll continue to treat people badly. Will the church ordain women, and thus allow them a real say in church policy? Will the church stop agitating against recognition of same sex civil marriages? Will they stop going the extra mile to prevent same sex couples from adopting? will they allow women to use such contraceptives as they find most effective and convenient to their life and marital circumstances?

That's what would be worth doing, apology or no apology.