Pope Francis

Quote: beachbumbabs

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Quote: beachbumbabs

Proud subscriber to NYT.

No doubt. My point is, the Vatican is
always trying to rewrite history by
lying about what really happened.
No matter how much FrG tries to
defend them. It's stories like this
of them getting caught red handed
that shows these aren't the old days,
it's much harder to get away with
being deceitful today.

Quote: Evenbob

No doubt. My point is, the Vatican is
always trying to rewrite history by
lying about what really happened.
No matter how much FrG tries to
defend them. It's stories like this
of them getting caught red handed
that shows these aren't the old days,
it's much harder to get away with
being deceitful today.

I think if this had happened before, it would have been revealed, and probably referenced. I think it's a big blow to their credibility, and I'm guessing their response will be to take some measure to regain that.

But it's likely unfair to class this as "always" trying to rewrite history. They tried something devious and were caught.

Quote: beachbumbabs

But it's likely unfair to class this as "always" trying to rewrite history. .

Really? Try reading a historians version of
the Inquisitions, and the Vatican's. It's like
they aren't even talking about the same
subject.

I'm heading out for a mission trip to Mexico in a few hours but I can't let this post from Evenbob stand unchallenged. If you did read real historians about the Inquisition many of the outrageous myths folks like Evenbob believe are shown to be false. I couldn't encourage Bob or any of us enough to read a good history of the Inquisition.

Quote: FrGamble

I'm heading out for a mission trip to Mexico in a few hours but I can't let this post from Evenbob stand unchallenged. If you did read real historians about the Inquisition .

Meaning real Vatican approved historians.
We went thru this here a couple years ago,
where I posted link after link of what
happened in the Inquisitions. You had a
fit over the what the Jewish Encyclopedia
said, like the Vatican's version is any less
biased than the people the Church victimized.

Pope Francis Declares: 'There Is No Hell'

Is the Church finally wising up?

Pope Francis says, "They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls."

https://www.cnsnews.com/blog/michael-w-chapman/pope-francis-there-no-hell

Quote: Evenbob

The Church will do anything to make money,
they have always been this way.

They won't sell me a license plate.

Quote: Evenbob

Pope Francis Declares: 'There Is No Hell'

If this is accurate, it should be front page news. Hell has been a cornerstone to scaring people into joining for 2,000 years. On the protestant side, only the most liberal Christians will say there is no hell, as the bible mentions hell several times.

If true, I applaud the Pope Francis, but think the hard-liners will not be in agreement.

Quote: Wizard

If this is accurate, it should be front page news. Hell has been a cornerstone to scaring people into joining for 2,000 years. t.

The Vatican is saying what it always
says, the pope was 'misunderstood'
and he didn't really say it. The Vatican
rewrites history even while it's happening.