"Cult of Mary"

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November 30th, 2014 at 8:37:21 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Where in the Bible does it say to put Mary
at the status the Church has given her.
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:41:37 PM permalink
FrGamble
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As someone who knows these legal terms so well I'm curious why you need my opinion on the matter. Maybe it fits in that Jesus was indeed not of this world and was extremely humble and always identified with the poor. We know of course that these terms don't effect the person and I'm sure in your line of work you have met generous parents who raise children, regardless of the circumstances of their birth, as they truly are precious gifts who are loved unconditionally.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:44:19 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
Where in the Bible does it say to put Mary
at the status the Church has given her.


It might help to define what you mean by her status. She is undoubtedly the Mother of Jesus Christ and lived a exemplary life of holiness and faithfulness. That unique role in salvation history and example alone give her a special place in history and in the life of the Church.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:45:40 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
It might help to define what you mean by her status. .


OK, what is the status of Mary in your Church
and why does it differ from all other churches.

'Scripture actually has very little to say about Mary. There’s no description of her physical appearance, nothing about her life, her later years after Christ’s death, or her own death and burial. And when she does briefly appear with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her.'
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:53:34 PM permalink
rxwine
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If it happened today we could easily do a DNA test for Joseph.

I would love to see the results (as would a billion or so others)
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November 30th, 2014 at 8:53:46 PM permalink
FrGamble
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This is a breakoff from the Original Sin thread because I can see many questions arising their about the Catholic Church's teaching about the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Mother of Jesus. I will try to briefly give an introduction and see if it raises any further questions.

Most importantly Catholics do not worship Mary so the title Cult of Mary to define our teaching is inaccurate. In fact in many ways we follow Jesus' example who as a good Jew followed the commandment to honor your mother and father. We honor Mary (and Joseph) as an example, the greatest example in fact of what it means to follow Jesus. Maybe you could think of how we treat Mary in the same way as how you might treat your saintly great grandmother. Her example to you is precious and the way she lived her life serves you and your family as a continuing model and inspiration. You might have pictures of her in your house that remind you of her and how she lived her life. This is what we understand in regards to Mary.


How this differs from other Churches is not as much as even some members of other Churches think. Maybe the real point of difference is in the communion of saints and not so much the teaching about Mary. The communion of saints means that our deceased loved ones are still very much alive and connected to us. From their privileged place in Heaven we can ask for their intercession in the same way we can ask each other on earth to pray for us when we have a need or concern.
November 30th, 2014 at 8:59:03 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: Evenbob
OK, what is the status of Mary in your Church
and why does it differ from all other churches.

'Scripture actually has very little to say about Mary. There’s no description of her physical appearance, nothing about her life, her later years after Christ’s death, or her own death and burial. And when she does briefly appear with the disciples and the other believers on the day of Pentecost, she’s not an object of worship or even a leader in the early church—she’s just one among many. There simply are no biblical examples of anyone ever praying to her, honoring her, or venerating her.'


There are volumes about her life after Christ's death and her own. Immediately in the early Church she has been venerated and held up as the model Christian. It is true that she has never been worshiped! She is a human being just like you and I who played an essential role in salvation history. To be a Christian and to not recognize her as special would indeed be as strange today as it would have been in the early Church.
November 30th, 2014 at 9:02:54 PM permalink
rxwine
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Biggest day ever for Maury Povich. Ratings through the roof.
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November 30th, 2014 at 9:06:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: FrGamble
There are volumes about her life after Christ's death and her own. .


But they aren't in the Bible so are irrelevant to
Christianity. You can't use the Bible and any
other books you feel like using and call
it Christianity. Unless you're the only game
in town, which the Church was for a thousand
years.

Who said anything about worshiping Mary
. The fact that she has such a high and
venerated place when the Bible barely mentions
her is a bit strange. Somebody set out to do this
for their own reasons, some say it was to pacify
the early pagans, who needed a goddess figure
if they were to move to Christianity. So the
Church gave them Mary. Very political move.
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November 30th, 2014 at 9:10:36 PM permalink
rxwine
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Here you go.

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