"Cult of Mary"
December 4th, 2014 at 11:58:43 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So the Churches stance is it's no different when a 'man of god' takes advantage of his position with an underage child than it is when a regular person does it? The population shouldn't hold the clergy to any higher standard than the wine-o pervert that hangs out around schoolyards? I always knew that, thanks for having the guts to admit it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 4th, 2014 at 1:50:08 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Bob, maybe you can explain how you arrived at that conclusion because that is not the Church's stance at all. The Church's stance, as well as that of any thinking individual would be that we should hold everyone to the highest standard - there should never be child abuse at all no matter who you are. Why can't we hold priests and all men and women to the same standard - NO child abuse. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 4th, 2014 at 2:58:40 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Easily. Your only answer was pedophilia happened at no greater rate among priests than it did in the general population. Like your attitude is, so what, we may be priests, but we're no better at keeping our deviant desires in check than anybody else, quit holding us to a higher standard. I myself don't not hold you to a higher standard, I expect that kind of behavior because many priests go into the profession because of what they can get away with. But for some reason, the general population does hold the clergy to a higher standard, which is obviously misplaced. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 4th, 2014 at 5:49:34 PM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4515 |
The statistic quoted is meaningless as many of the people on this site will immediately recognize. Basically it says 4% of priest sexually victimized minors and 15% of males were victimized as children. These two percentages only tie together if the errant priests only victimized 1 child each. This is highly unlikely to be the case. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
December 4th, 2014 at 5:57:55 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Sometimes I wrestle with answering you when you are so clearly antagonistic and rude, but I can't in good conscience allow such hurtful and unfair comments go unanswered.
That was not my only answer. In fact you obviously did not read the article that I only quoted an excerpt from. I also gave recommendations for some very good and fair books you should read. These things tend to be complicated and I worry you are only using them to score zingers or points.
Even if the above was my only answer can you see what a illogical jump you are making? A proven statistic leads to you building a straw man that does not follow from the fact. You are putting your unfounded ideas as words in my mouth and I would like to vomit them back upon you. As I said in my recent post we all need to hold everybody to the highest standard, there is no excuse for you if you were a pedophile just because you aren't a priest. Let's not worry about double standards, let's raise the bar for everyone.
Unworthy of a response, maybe worthy of a suspension.
How does it follow that the higher standard is "obviously misplaced"? You agreed to early on in your rambling crazy argument that priests do indeed have a lower rate of abuse than the general population. Did you forget the stat which launched you on this diatribe from only a few sentences ago? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
December 4th, 2014 at 6:18:35 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
So priests need to be held to the same standard as everybody else, then. They should not be held to a higher moral standard, is that what you're saying? Because that's what the public does, they have priests on a moral pedestal. Is this the Churches stance, people expect too much from them, time to notch that down a peg or two? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 4th, 2014 at 6:28:42 PM permalink | |
Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
There will always be men who strive for power for the express purpose to abuse that power. We see it with cops, with judges, with high school principals, with counselors. That includes the clergy. As it is human nature (or humanity's flaw), I've no doubt there are Fathers who have indeed risen to power for no other reason than to abuse it. But I would also expect that to be the exception, and agree that the use of "many" is unwarranted. I'd issue a yellow card, but soccer is stupid and no one would know what I'm talking about. So I'll just say "carry on". There's a good 3 or 4 highly active religion threads, they've been going on for months, and not a single suspension or s$%^storm has erupted. Well done. As you were. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
December 4th, 2014 at 6:34:52 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Some men enter Boy Scout leadership with the intent of molesting young boys. Anyplace underage boys gather, there will be men who get into a profession to prey on them. Like high school gym teachers and coaches. There is no denying it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
December 4th, 2014 at 6:43:51 PM permalink | |
Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 |
And I won't deny it. I even went so far as to say I absolutely know it happens. I guarantee it, I would bet my life on it. Boy Scouts, 4H, Bible camp, band camp, retirement homes, ICU wards, psych hospitals... wherever there exists someone vulnerable, there exists someone to prey upon them. I simply argue with your use of "many", as it implies a majority, which I believe to be completely false. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
December 4th, 2014 at 7:33:56 PM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
How is this worthy of a suspension? or even a yellow card |