Narrowbodies over Atlantic

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September 30th, 2017 at 3:17:43 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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No wonder United is wlling to fly from there with low load factors... they have great departure times and can count on a decent number of tickets being sold.

Leave in the morning, get a room for the night don't sleep on the plane... businessmen and tourists like that.
September 30th, 2017 at 4:22:33 PM permalink
Nareed
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Wide bodies over the Atlantic are not too dissimilar from those i the Pacific:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41454712

Second time this happens:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_32
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September 30th, 2017 at 7:07:12 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
No wonder United is wlling to fly from there with low load factors... they have great departure times and can count on a decent number of tickets being sold.
Load Factors & Average number of seats into London Heathrow all USA destinations
83.7% 289 British Airways Plc
74.7% 282 Virgin Atlantic Airways
71.2% 272 American
63.5% 223 United
62.7% 217 Delta

Below are the load factors for all international flights starting or leaving from the USA to any country of any distance in any aircraft type with a million or more passengers in 2016. You can see that Delta has the highest load factors of any USA airline.

So for them to be willing to accept a load factor in the low 60% for flights to Heathrow must mean they are making serious money in premium class seats. The FAA does not keep track of how many of each grade seat is sold, as that is considered a corporate secret. After all it is far more important how much you sell the seats for than in how many are empty.

Interjet from Mexico always amazes me how it stays in business. I like their practices, but they go against all logic. You'll notice they have the lowest load factor.

89.5% Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA
87.4% Klm Royal Dutch Airlines
85.6% Asiana Airlines Inc.
84.4% Compagnie Natl Air France
84.4% Transportes Aeros Meridiona
84.3% Icelandair
84.2% Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd.
84.2% Aer Lingus Plc
83.4% Delta Air Lines Inc.
83.3% Air New Zealand
82.9% British Airways Plc
82.7% Air Canada rouge LP
82.7% China Airlines Ltd.
82.7% JetBlue Airways
82.4% Compania Panamena (Copa)
82.4% Air Canada
82.4% Aerovias Nacl De Colombia
82.3% Air Berlin PLC and CO
82.1% Eva Airways Corporation
82.0% Japan Air Lines Co. Ltd.
81.5% Air China
81.2% Lufthansa German Airlines
81.1% Concesionaria Vuela Compania De Aviacion SA de CV (Volaris)
81.0% Spirit Air Lines
81.0% Southwest Airlines Co.
81.0% ExpressJet Airlines Inc.
80.7% Westjet
80.6% Taca International Airlines
80.6% United Air Lines Inc.
80.5% SkyWest Airlines Inc.
80.5% Alaska Airlines Inc.
80.2% Swiss International Airlines
80.1% Qatar Airways (Q.C.S.C)
79.6% China Eastern Airlines
79.5% Etihad Airways
79.3% Iberia Air Lines Of Spain
79.3% Hawaiian Airlines Inc.
79.3% Scandinavian Airlines Sys.
79.0% Turk Hava Yollari A.O.
79.0% Aeromexico
78.0% American Airlines Inc.
77.8% All Nippon Airways Co.
77.7% Sky Regional Airlines Inc.
76.9% Mesa Airlines Inc.
76.9% Virgin Atlantic Airways
75.3% Korean Air Lines Co. Ltd.
75.0% Emirates
74.5% Qantas Airways Ltd.
71.6% Jazz Aviation LP
69.4% ABC Aerolineas SA de CV dba Interjet

Quote: Fleastiff
Leave in the morning, get a room for the night don't sleep on the plane... businessmen and tourists like that.

Flights from Newark to London Heathrow LEAVE TIME
08:30 AM United =================== Sole daytime flight
06:10 PM United
06:20 PM British Airways
06:45 PM United
09:30 PM British Airways
09:35 PM United
10:00 PM Virgin Atlantic
10:05 PM United

Since most flights to Europe fly at night, since the time zones make it a more efficient use of the aircraft. An airline can distinguish itself by offering a day flight. United is the only airline that offers a day flight to London from Newark.
October 1st, 2017 at 7:14:00 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Wide bodies over the Atlantic are not too dissimilar from those i the Pacific:


Here is a close up view of that engine that failed. The plane made an emergency landing in Goose Bay, Canada. Passengers had to stay onboard because Goose Bay did not have air stairs large enough to accommodate the large aircraft. Air France dispatched a Boeing 777-300 from Montreal and a 737-300 from Nolinor (a charter company) which had a stopover in Winnipeg before continuing to Los Angeles.



The Engine Alliance GP7000 is flying on 118 A380s. The Rolls Royce Trent 900 engine is on the other 97 A380s.

Engine Alliance GP7000
10 Air France
90 Emirates
10 Etihad Airways
8 Qatar Airways

I don't suppose they will shut down the fleet. That would be a disaster for Emirates. They only have about 7 A380s equipped with the Rolls Royce engine.

I find it difficult to believe that Air France will not shut down A380 flights.

I don't know what will happen to production line as all remaining deliveries have RR engine.
October 1st, 2017 at 7:21:05 AM permalink
Nareed
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I don't suppose they will shut down the fleet.


It's complicated. The other spectacular uncontained engine failure, which also tore through the wing fuel tanks and controls, was the Rolls Royce engine. So I'm guessing it's not a general engine defect. Whether it's an aircraft related defect, well, I don't see how it could be. The investigation will have the final say.

I suppose though the engines are from different manufacturers, they may have components in common.

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That would be a disaster for Emirates. They only have about 7 A380s equipped with the Rolls Royce engine.


Wouldn't that make AA and Delta ecstatic?

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I don't know what will happen to production line as all remaining deliveries have RR engine.


Good excuse to halt production and extend the life of the line for the time it takes the investigation to run its course.
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October 1st, 2017 at 7:38:42 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Wouldn't that make AA and Delta ecstatic?


Probably. Can you imagine if the FAA shuts down all A380s with that engine?

Air France flies A380 to JFK, LAX, SFO, IAD (Washington DC)+ Miami.
Emirates flies A380 to JFK ,LAX, SFO, IAD (Washington DC)+ Toronto.
Etihad flies A380 to JFK.
Qatar Airways does not fly A380 to Americas.


Emirates flies 2555 passengers each direction per day from USA to Dubai on the A380 in 2016.
Plus another 500 passengers each direction per day from USA to Milan on the A380 in 2016.

Etihad flies 376 passengers each direction per day from USA to Abu Dhabi on the A380 in 2016.

Air France flies 1421 passengers each direction per day from USA to Paris on the A380 in 2016.

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The flock of Canadian Geese that brought down the plane in the Miracle on the Hudson were CFM56-7B18 - Dry weight: 5,216 lb Length: 98.7" fan: 61"



The engines on the A380 were the GP7270 - Dry weight: 14,797 lb Length: 194" fan 117"



I suppose a bird strike was possible, but I doubt it. Those are awfully big engines.
October 2nd, 2017 at 6:48:22 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Probably. Can you imagine if the FAA shuts down all A380s with that engine?


It's worse than that, IMO, because the other uncontained failure on an A380 was with the Rolls Royce engine. What if there is a common component in both engines that failed the same way? Potentially all A380s could be grounded.

Actually i don't think that's likely at all, but it's possible.
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October 2nd, 2017 at 7:23:44 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Potentially all A380s could be grounded. Actually i don't think that's likely at all, but it's possible.


The first delivery of a DC-10 was in summer of 1971 and it was to AA. American Airlines ordered 35 of the model.

American Airlines Flight 191 was a regularly scheduled passenger flight operated by American Airlines from O'Hare International Airport in Chicago to Los Angeles International Airport. A McDonnell Douglas DC-10-10 used for this flight on May 25, 1979, crashed moments after takeoff from Chicago. All 258 passengers and 13 crew on board were killed, along with two people on the ground. It is the deadliest aviation accident to have occurred in the United States.

The Flight 191 crash in 1979 highlighted a major deficiency in the DC-10 design: its lack of a locking mechanism to maintain the position of the leading-edge slats in the event of a hydraulic or pneumatic actuation failure.

Following the Chicago crash, the FAA withdrew the DC-10's type certificate on June 6, 1979, which grounded U.S. DC-10s. It also banned all DC-10s from U.S. airspace. These measures were rescinded on July 13 after modifications were made to the slat actuation and position systems, along with stall warning and power supply changes.

A total of 446 DC-10s were delivered all total, many to USA airlines, and many after the incident.
But only 15 passenger DC-10s were ordered after the incident.
5 Mexicana
3 Thai Airways International
2 Aeromexico
2 Japan Airlines Co.
1 Zambia Airways
1 Biman Bangladesh Airlines
1 Ghana Airways
October 2nd, 2017 at 7:51:07 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
The Flight 191 crash in 1979 highlighted a major deficiency in the DC-10 design: its lack of a locking mechanism to maintain the position of the leading-edge slats in the event of a hydraulic or pneumatic actuation failure.


Don't forget the cargo door issue in the same type. A Turkish Airlines crashed due to that in France.

And keeping with the theme of the current incident, the United DC-10 with the uncontained centerline engine failure that made the plane uncontrollable. It crashed in Sioux City, Iowa.


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But only 15 passenger DC-10s were ordered after the incident.


Really? I had no idea. I flew that plane more than the 747. With Aeromexico MEX-JFK, Continental IAH-Gatwick, and Mexicana MEX-MTY.
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October 2nd, 2017 at 8:33:25 AM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Pacomartin
Here is a close up view of that engine that failed. The plane made an emergency landing in Goose Bay, Canada. Passengers had to stay onboard because Goose Bay did not have air stairs large enough to accommodate the large aircraft. Air France dispatched a Boeing 777-300 from Montreal and a 737-300 from Nolinor (a charter company) which had a stopover in Winnipeg before continuing to Los Angeles.


If they did not have air stairs large enough, how did they get them to the replacement planes?
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