Boeing vs Airbus

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December 15th, 2017 at 9:27:15 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
I'm not going to say this is a direct result of Boeing's actions to keep the C Series out, but it certainly didn't help. More realistically, the only Boeing plane comparable to the A321neo is the 737 MAX 10, which has yet to even fly. The A321neo is already in operation all over the world.


Well if you are not going to say it, hundreds of other analysts are saying it.


But in reality the Max-10 variant has not had a decent order since the initial two over five years ago. It is highly unlikely that Delta would have selected the Max-10 unless Boeing gave them away.

While the Max-8 is highly competitive with the A320neo, the A321neo is knocking them out of the park, dwarfing orders for the Max-9 and Max-10.

The A321neo had 432 orders before the Max-10 had a single order, and in subsequent years has received over 1000 additional orders before Delta, while the Max-10 has only 265 orders (Boeing insists that airlines will upgauge Max-8 orders).

A321neo orders before first Max-10 order
53 | April 27 , 2011 AerCap
25 | June 22 , 2011 IndiGo
19 | June 22 , 2011 LATAM Airlines Group
100 | June 23 , 2011 AirAsia
32 | August 8 , 2011 Cebu Pacific
1 | August 10 , 2011 CIT Group
40 | August 10 , 2011 Lufthansa
45 | October 6 , 2011 Qantas
60 | October 27 , 2011 JetBlue
10 | November 14 , 2011 ALAFCO
14 | November 15 , 2011 Aviation Capital Group
16 | November 15 , 2011 Qatar Airways
17 | January 26 , 2012 Avianca
432

B737 Max-10 orders
50 February 22 , 2012 Lion Air
100 July 12 , 2012 United Airlines
20 December 20 , 2012 Aviation Capital Group
20 September 28 , 2012 GECAS
15 May 30 , 2013 Copa Airlines
18 July 9 , 2013 TUI Travel
12 September 26 , 2013 WestJet
10 August 13 , 2014 BOC Aviation
10 July 1 , 2016 Malaysia Airlines
10 September 27 , 2016 Donghai Airlines
265
December 16th, 2017 at 6:07:10 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Well if you are not going to say it, hundreds of other analysts are saying it.


I know. But I don't like to say it, because 1) I lack the full knowledge of Delta's decision and 2) It's to literarily convenient, like a perfect illustration of a morality myth (ask for too much and you lose what you already have).

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But in reality the Max-10 variant has not had a decent order since the initial two over five years ago.


Which has nothing to do with pushing a nearly 60 year old limited design too far :)
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January 19th, 2018 at 7:12:06 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Airbus Net Orders through December 31, 2017
Single Aisle 1054
A330 21
A350 36
A380 -2
TOTAL 1054

Boeing Net Orders through December 31, 2017
737 745
747 -2
767 15
777 60
787 94
Total 912

Airbus is blowing away Boeing in the single aisle category.

Transat (Canadian airline) still is flying seven Airbus 310s with 250 seats in 30 rows. The planes are 26-30 years old. The Boeing NMA is planning for a 270 seat capacity would be 30 rows 9 abreast in every row.
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