Expanding Concealed Carry vs. Accidental Discharge / Negligence

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Ayecarumba

Because of this:

Rare. The population is ignorant as to how armed law enforcement is getting. Dangerous stuff.

Agreed it is not common. Unfortunately, the number of incidents is on the rise around the globe. Our regular cops were woefully under prepared.

I think it is now wiser to allow more qualified citizens to carry side arms and rifles, rather than waiting for the police to get their heavy equipment from the depot. The police arriving in time to stop anything is an illusion. The bulk of the deaths at these massacres occur in the first few minutes. If qualified folks were allowed to carry personal arms, at least they would have a chance to defend themselves.

Quote: Ayecarumba

bulk of the deaths at these massacres occur in the first few minutes. If qualified folks were allowed to carry personal arms, at least they would have a chance to defend themselves.

I've said this before. I think the reason gun bans in bars is almost unopposed is because it never went well when it occurred.

People just don't have enough sense when they are drinking to follow the polite society rule. It's also often dark and noisy. Not exactly ideal for targeting someone even if you're sober.

Unless mass shootings in bars really becomes a big issue, I think we'd just lose more than we'd ever save.

This is really a thorny issue for me. I feel that putting guns into the hands of more people, even vetted and trained people, will inevitable lead to more gun deaths both accidental and murders. However, I do think that the proliferation of guns to bad people is at such an extent that it would stop more tragedies like the ones we are becoming more and more familiar with. Arming people with more concealed carry will make it more like the wild west.

Quote: FrGamble

Arming people with more concealed carry will make it more like the wild west.

There's far more gun violence now
in Chicago in a month than there
ever was in the history of the so
called wild west. Most people weren't
armed in the west, and when they
were it was usually a small pocket
revolver. The myth of the west
started because much of it was
lawless for so long. But the reality
was, people in general were far
more law abiding in the 19th
century.

"The western frontier was a far more civilized, more peaceful and safer place than American society today”

http://nypost.com/video/man-gets-mauled-by-police-dog-for-improper-bicycle-lighting/ That guy will probably retain some injury for life, for not having his bicycle lighted properly.

Given that one side currently thinks we should ban all Muslims and the other that we should ban all guns (both are impossible to do), why not compromise and simply ban Muslims from having guns? (also impossible).

All three approaches are as helpful, as in "not at all helpful."

Quote: Evenbob

There's far more gun violence now
in Chicago in a month than there
ever was in the history of the so
called wild west. Most people weren't
armed in the west, and when they
were it was usually a small pocket
revolver. The myth of the west
started because much of it was
lawless for so long. But the reality
was, people in general were far
more law abiding in the 19th
century.

"The western frontier was a far more civilized, more peaceful and safer place than American society today”

Guns and ammunition were very expensive in the "wild" west. They were thus fired sparingly.

Quote: AZDuffman

Guns and ammunition were very expensive in the "wild" west. They were thus fired sparingly.

We only remember the myth of the
west, propagated by TV westerns.
On the Rifleman, 2-3 people died
in every episode. On Gunsmoke, in
the opening scene, Matt Dillon faces
off in the classic fast gun showdown.
The problem is, there isn't a single recorded
example of that happening even once
in the Old West. It's a myth. Most men
who died by the gun were shot in the
back in saloons over a dispute.

Quote: Evenbob

We only remember the myth of the
west, propagated by TV westerns.
On the Rifleman, 2-3 people died
in every episode. On Gunsmoke, in
the opening scene, Matt Dillon faces
off in the classic fast gun showdown.
The problem is, there isn't a single recorded
example of that happening even once
in the Old West. It's a myth. Most men
who died by the gun were shot in the
back in saloons over a dispute.

Probably why the shootout at the OK Corral was so famous. Western towns in TV and movies likely embellished even how the towns looked. "Deadwood" did a decent job, showing the roads filled with mud and horse waste.

Quote: AZDuffman

Probably why the shootout at the OK Corral was so famous.

The west was a myth while it was
happening. From the 1870's on
pulp fiction about the Wild West
was eaten up in the east. None of
it was true, but people believed it was.
Right thru silent movies, and into the
TV westerns of the 50's and 60's.