What were the low voltages of the 19th century
August 1st, 2017 at 5:02:50 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Thomas Edison opened his Pearl Street power station on Sept. 4, 1882 which provided DC power up until 2007. What does that mean? What kind of voltages were used at the dawn of electricity distribution? DC "low" voltage levels: 0.7V Nominal voltage drop on normal silicon diode or similar semiconductor junction 0.8V Voltages from 0V to 0.8V are considered to be logic 0 on TTL logic IC inputs 1.25V NiCd, NiMH battery cell nominal voltage 1.5V Carbon and alkaeline battery cell nominal voltage 1.6V The voltage you normally get from a fresh alkaeline battery cell 1.8V Quite commonly used very low voltage digital circuit operating voltage (many CPU cores) 2V Lead acid battery nominal cell voltage 2V Voltages from 2V to 5V are considered to be logic 1 in TTL logic IC inputs. 3V Lithium battery nominal voltage 3.3V Low Voltage Logic Threshold Levels (LVTTL) logic circuits operating voltage 3.6V Typical voltage used to power cell phones (either from NiMH or Li-Ion battery pack) 4.5V operating voltage for many small electronics gargets powered from three batteries 5V TTL logic circuits operating voltage 6V operating voltage for many small electronics gargets powered from four batteries 9V Commonly used battery voltage 10V Normal control voltage limit in 0-10V and 1-10V analogue control systems (light dimming and industrial use) 12V Car battery nominal voltage 13.8V the voltage you expect to get from car 12V power when car motor is running (charging battery) 24V Truck battery. 24V Automation systems most common nominal voltage used for logic signals and and current loop powering 24V common standard input voltages in Avionics and Defense applications 28V Maximum battery charging voltage for 24V battery system (for example batteries that power automation systems). 28V common standard input voltages in Avionics and Defense applications 36V Battery voltage used on some electric golf carts, electric scooters, electric bikes, high power cordless tools etc.. 42.4V Voltages must be less than or equal to 42.4V peak/60V dc to meet safe limits and to be Safety Extra Low Voltage (SELV). 42.4V Hazardous Voltage is a voltage exceeding 42.4V peak or 60V d.c., existing in a circuit which does not meet the requirements for either a Limited Current Circuit or a TNV Circuit.(IEC 60950) 48V Battery backed up -48V voltage is used on telecom systems for powering telephone exhanges and other telco equipment. The normal service voltage range for the -48 Vdc nominal supply at interface “A” shall be -40,5 Vdc to -57,0 Vdc according to ETSI EN 300 132-2 48V Some data centers use 48V DC to power servers (battery backup easy) 48V Phantom power feed for microphones in audio mixers most often uses +48V phantom power voltage 48V some automation systems use +48V power for equipment and I/O (electrical power distribution) 50V Work on energized circuits or apparatus below that voltage requires no “Hazard/Risk Evaluation.” NFPA 7OE 60V Voltages must be less than or equal to 42.4V peak/60V dc to meet safe limits and to be SELV. 60V Hazardous Voltage is a voltage exceeding 42.4V peak or 60V d.c., existing in a circuit which does not meet the requirements for either a Limited Current Circuit or a TNV Circuit.(IEC 60950) |
August 1st, 2017 at 8:04:12 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | 48v phantom power feed for microphone circuit is standard for many people who hook themselves up to a bioamplifier. Not particularly safe to hook oneself up to such a circuit but people have survived it. |
August 1st, 2017 at 8:04:12 AM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | Homemade ekg leads and aloe vera gel and using a filter to suppress the signal from electrical service is what one experimenter did to analyze her own ear for a tinitus episode. |
August 1st, 2017 at 11:35:04 AM permalink | |
Ayecarumba Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 89 Posts: 1744 |
I think 14.8V is nominal for the power in a car with the motor running. I recall that the limited distance DC can be transmitted is what lost it the race with AC. Who was still buying power from the Pearl Street generation plant? |
August 1st, 2017 at 11:53:51 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | For an automotive alternator, 13.8V is the normal minimum, 14.2V is the normal maximum, some cars use 15V and in some conditions charging voltage might be as high as 15.8v. http://www.aa1car.com/library/charging_checks.htm "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
August 1st, 2017 at 12:23:38 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
To be precise, you need high voltages to transmit long distances. The technology of the 19th century was incapable of transforming Direct Current into high voltages for long range transmission, and then transform it down to usable voltage levels for homes and businesses. It was much easier to build transformers with Alternating Current. The first transmission lines to go over 20 miles used 11,000 volts and were AC. Edison envisioned DC power plants at roughly 1 mile intervals, but at the time the primary usage would have been lighting. The Niagara Falls AC generation system was developed in 1895, and the modern form of high-voltage, direct current (HVDC) transmission uses technology developed extensively in the 1930s in Sweden (ASEA) and in Germany. In those four decades a great deal of infrastructure was already built with AC, so it was not very feasible to switch. China, with it's massive population in one part of the country, and huge deserts where giant electrical generation plants can be easily developed is investing heavily in high voltage DC. Wikipedia has a lit of HVDC projects around the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HVDC_projects#North_America
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August 1st, 2017 at 1:24:40 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Seeing that some electrical installations are over a century behind the times, makes it easier not to laugh at people who still use WinXP, or those who go online through AOL. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
August 1st, 2017 at 2:46:14 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Third rail must be DC, even in modern systems. Overhead is more popular with post WWII designs. Some of the elevators in NYC are a century old and would cost a fortune to convert from DC to AC. The Cortland Street bridge in chicago opened in 1902 Hudson tunnels in NYC opened in 1908, and are still vital to rail traffic under the river. |
August 1st, 2017 at 3:43:56 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Many people have a PC that works perfectly ok with XP. It not only might work for many more years yet, but most of these are impossible to upgrade to Win7, Win8(.1) or Win10. Sure, the cost of a new PC is much lower than that of even a cheap elevator in a three-story building, but it could be a considerable cost to lots of people. :) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
August 1st, 2017 at 3:58:34 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Elevator repairmen and installers make between $35 and $50 an hour depending on where they live, And they are always busy. Good profession for a young guy to get into. Elevators will always be here. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |