Effectiveness of Senator

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May 20th, 2018 at 9:25:44 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Credit to SOOPOO who was interested in NY Senator's Sponsored Legislation (not co-sponsored bills) .
Sponsored Legislation Clinton H. Obama Kamala Harris Joe Donnelly Gillebrand Rand Paul Schumer McCain
Introduced 417 137 22 94 340 201 1204 921
Committee Consideration 41 7 2 12 36 4 144 272
Floor Consideration 42 11 3 16 32 10 131 189
Failed One Chamber 1 1
Passed One Chamber 38 10 3 16 31 121 167
Passed Both Chambers 4 2 1 38 45
Resolving Differences 1 7 10
To President 3 2 31 37
Veto Actions
Became Law 3 2 31 37
Total 548 172 30 138 440 216 1707 1679
Years 8.0 3.9 1.4 5.4 11.4 7.4 37.4 35.4

In December 2008, President-elect Barack Obama nominated second-term incumbent U.S. Senator Hillary Clinton as United States Secretary of State, leaving an empty seat in the Senate.
Gillibrand was appointed to the Senate by Governor David Paterson but she was required to run in a special election in 2010 for the permanent position after her inauguration, which she won with 63% of the vote. She was reelected to a full six-year term in 2012 with 72% of the vote, the highest margin for any statewide candidate in New York.

Senator Gillibrand has 15 pieces of legislation to propose Post Office name changes like the bill passed into law by Hillary Clinton. Out of the 15, 7 have reached committee consideration, and 6 have passed one chamber and zero have passed two chambers. If she is re-elected she may get one of these bills passed into law.
How are your Senators doing?
https://www.congress.gov/member/hillary-clinton/C001041?r=1&q=%7B%22search%22%3A%5B%22hillary+clinton%22%5D%2C%22sponsorship%22%3A%22sponsored%22%7D

May 20th, 2018 at 11:02:22 AM permalink
rxwine
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I'm not sure whether you can learn enough from these stats.

Passing what looks like "easy" legislation might be difficult because of a limited budget even though it's an easy choice.

Someone who is really trying to accomplish something may get little passed because there is a constant ideological battle. Ron or Rand Paul may have tried to pass some of their ideas year after year knowing they had little support. But I if I wanted that style of government, I'd still want them in office year after year and not someone with less libertarian views who was "accomplishing" something.

Then there are things like so. Like a kid on the honor roll, and then you look at the subjects he took that year. Gym. study hall. Art class. Same with Senators who add up a tally.

Then, people like Schumer should become more influential the longer they stay. That can be good if you agree with him and bad if you don't.
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May 20th, 2018 at 11:31:58 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: rxwine
I'm not sure whether you can learn enough from these stats.


Certainly they don't seem to be important to most voters, For Hillary Clinton to have three pieces of sponsored legislation make it into law in 8 years, (1) a road name change, (2) a post office name change, (3) an upgrade from "historic landmark" to "historic site" does not on the face of it seem like good qualifications to be Secretary of State.
May 20th, 2018 at 11:41:56 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
Certainly they don't seem to be important to most voters, For Hillary Clinton to have three pieces of sponsored legislation make it into law in 8 years, (1) a road name change, (2) a post office name change, (3) an upgrade from "historic landmark" to "historic site" does not on the face of it seem like good qualifications to be Secretary of State.


That's way more than I thought She
would do, nothing burgers that they
are. I thought all She did was run for
president in 08, the whole time she
was senator. That was the point of
Her being elected.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
May 20th, 2018 at 1:47:43 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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First of all, thanks to Paco for doing this at my request. The reason I asked was I was at a fundraiser for my local State assemblyman and sat next to a woman named Chele Farley, who told me she is the Republican nominee for US Senator to run against Kirsten Gillebrand. I asked her what her plan was in the heavily Democrat State (NY) that we live in. Her answer was simple... she just had to get Gillebrand's record out into the public! She told me that in her 10 years in the Senate that Gillebrand has proposed around 300 (Paco now tells me it is over 400) pieces of legislation with ZERO becoming law. She is big on proposing name changes to post offices , but not even one of those has been signed into law! Whatever reasons/ excuses you want to make, ZERO is an astounding number for 10 years, 8 of which had a Democrat President.

I can't wait until she announces her run for President! Because of all she has 'accomplished' in the Senate! Of course I think KG will win re-election to Senate because the NY Democrats will not care that she has been an utter failure...... Sort of like when another Democrat ex Senator was nominated for President despite not accomplishing anything of note in the Senate.....
May 20th, 2018 at 2:11:34 PM permalink
rxwine
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Would you really vote for a very left liberal progressive in your District because they had enacted lots of lefty legislation, over a Republican who did little but keep your brand of status quo in place as far as laws?

I'm not saying you'd vote a do nothing for President, but I'd be surprised if you actually care about effective politicians to the point of voting for one for that reason.
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May 20th, 2018 at 4:29:14 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: SOOPOO
She told me that in her 10 years in the Senate that Gillebrand has proposed around 300 (Paco now tells me it is over 400) pieces of legislation with ZERO becoming law.... ZERO is an astounding number for 10 years, 8 of which had a Democrat President.


BTW I pulled the stats for 9.3 years as a Senator plus 2.06 years as a Representative, so that could explain the mismatch.

The assertion is verified, but rxwine wants a deeper analysis.

Quote: rxwine
Would you really vote for a very left liberal progressive in your District because they had enacted lots of lefty legislation, over a Republican who did little but keep your brand of status quo in place as far as laws?
I think you are asking for an almost philosophical piece of analysis. Would we be better off of Adolf Hitler stuttered? Probably, but then he is unlikely to have ruled Germany and we wouldn't know who he was.

But more importantly is it permissible to base a senator on "sponsored legislation only", and ignore "co-sponsored legislation". Perhaps the senior senators are more often listed as sponsors, and the junior senators are more often listed as co-sponsors.
Sponsored Legislation Clinton H. Obama Kamala Harris Joe Donnelly Gillebrand Rand Paul Schumer McCain
Introduced 417 137 22 94 340 201 1204 921
Committee Consideration 41 7 2 12 36 4 144 272
Floor Consideration 42 11 3 16 32 10 131 189
Failed One Chamber 1 1
Passed One Chamber 38 10 3 16 31 121 167
Passed Both Chambers 4 2 1 38 45
Resolving Differences 1 7 10
To President 3 2 31 37
Veto Actions
Became Law 3 2 31 37
Total 548 172 30 138 440 216 1707 1679
Years 8.0 3.9 1.4 5.4 11.4 7.4 37.4 35.4

Barack Obama's (January 3, 2005 November 16, 2008) Laws
Description Law Congress Introduced Became Public Law Summary Senate Committees: House Committees:
Mercury Export Ban Act of 2008 110-477 110th 15. Mar. 2007 14. Oct. 2008 S.906 Environment and Public Works
Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2006 109-456 109th 16. Dec. 2005 22. Dec. 2006 S.2125 Foreign Relations International Relations


Hillary Clinton's (January 3, 2001 January 21, 2009) Laws
Description Law Congress Introduced Became Public Law Summary Senate Committees: House Committees:
A bill to designate a portion of United States Route 20A, located in Orchard Park, New York, as the "Timothy J. Russert Highway". 110-282 110th 18. Jun. 2008 23. Jul. 2008 S.3145 Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, Environment and Public Works Transportation and Infrastructure
A bill to designate the facility of the United States Postal Service located at 2951 New York Highway 43 in Averill Park, New York, as the "Major George Quamo Post Office Building". 109-311 109th 29. Jun. 2006 6. Oct. 2006 S.3613 Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Government Reform
Kate Mullany National Historic Site Act 108-438 108th 11. Jun. 2003 3. Dec. 2004 S.1241 Energy and Natural Resources Resources
Quote: Evenbob
That's way more than I thought She would do, nothing burgers that they are. I thought all She did was run for president in 08, the whole time she was senator. That was the point of Her being elected.


Obama's two laws that passed based on his Sponsored Legislation on seem more substantive than Hillary's three laws.
May 20th, 2018 at 6:50:36 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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http://www.thelawmakers.org/#/find
Center for Effective Lawmaking ranks the 44 Democratic Senators from Least to Most effective for 114th congress
44 Donnelly, Joe IN
43 Mikulski, Barbara MD
42 Reed, Jack RI
41 Murphy, Christopher CT
40 Merkley, Jeff OR
39 Stabenow, Debbie MI
38 Warner, Mark VA
37 Manchin, Joe WV
36 Kaine, Tim VA
35 Reid, Harry NV
34 Warren, Elizabeth MA
33 Coons, Christopher DE
32 Gillibrand, Kirsten NY -----------------------------------------------------
31 Bennet, Michael CO
30 Durbin, Richard IL
29 Heinrich, Martin NM
28 McCaskill, Claire MO
27 Menendez, Robert NJ
26 Brown, Sherrod OH
25 Blumenthal, Richard CT
24 Markey, Edward MA
24 Hoeven, John ND
23 Murray, Patty WA
22 Baldwin, Tammy WI
21 Nelson, Bill FL
20 Leahy, Patrick VT
19 Peters, Gary MI
18 Schumer, Charles NY
17 Hirono, Mazie HI
16 Schatz, Brian HI
15 Boxer, Barbara CA
14 Booker, Cory NJ
13 Franken, Al MN
12 Klobuchar, Amy MN
11 Shaheen, Jeanne NH
10 Cantwell, Maria WA
9 Heitkamp, Heidi ND
8 Udall Tom NM
7 Casey, Robert PA
6 Whitehouse, Sheldon RI
5 Feinstein, Dianne CA
4 Tester, Jon MT
3 Cardin, Benjamin MD
2 Carper, Thomas DE
1 Wyden, Ron OR
May 20th, 2018 at 7:54:20 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Party affiliation means little. They are all politicians. They have to hold onto their fund raising and their own turf, then they have to develop a record to run on. The problem is that no one really runs on their record they run on their press releases and other concocted "records" of what they did in office.
May 21st, 2018 at 12:27:38 AM permalink
rxwine
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Senior senators obviously have more wallop or just more time. For instance, Harry Reid, as Senate Majority leader probably influenced legislation which his name is not even on. All the senior senators probably do that as well. That's another thing that is not necessarily recorded. I'm pretty sure the rest of the nation would have had Yucca Mountain up and running if he hadn't been Senate Majority leader during that period. Because it wasn't popular among Democrats and most Republicans there.

In fact, now that Reid is gone, Trump has reintroduced legislation to turn Yucca into the depository again. The rest of the nation loves the idea as long as it's not their state.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/the-yucca-mountain-nuclear-waste-dump-a-political-hot-potato-is-back.html
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