Pain & Death
December 12th, 2019 at 7:54:48 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | You can't see terminating murderers protects the innocent from being the next target? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
December 13th, 2019 at 3:40:54 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
Long prison terms are not a deterrent in most cases, either. Prison is the last thing that deters a real criminal. It is part of the job, an occupational risk. After doing a stint in prison their status with their peers rises in fact. It is about punishment for the crime. The President is a fink. |
December 13th, 2019 at 4:11:46 AM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
Lifetime confinement would achieve the same result. Many people end up on Death Row most of their life anyway with all of the appeals and drawn out processes..... |
December 13th, 2019 at 4:14:13 AM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
I don't disagree with that. But, when we are talking about people on death row, they would be in prison for life in almost every case. There is no chance they would be getting back on the street. For lesser crimes, I think prisons need to focus more on reform and treatment. I agree that prison culture right now fosters criminal mentality and gang involvement. |
December 13th, 2019 at 5:13:38 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18212 |
Which is why I say it is about punishment. And I do think there are some criminals who the death penalty does scare. Some not, if I were up for murder I would demand the death penalty as part of a guilty plea, though I know you cannot do that. Plenty fight the death penalty to the bitter end. McVeigh is one of the few who refused all appeals and said "get it over with." So something is there.
The problem today is drug crimes. Treatment does not seem to work. What seems to work is take the criminals off the streets until they hit their early to mid-30s. Same as at that age you do not want to be in a loud bar with "22 year old kids" it has been found by age 30 people do not want to go out and do street crimes. I am not talking gangsters. A gangster is OG for life and prison is just an occupational hazard. Some see it as a sabbatical, get away from the daily grind and the nagging wife. But a street punk sooner or later realizes this is no way to live. People calm down around age 30. But that is another thread. I said before I am too old and tired to care about the drug war anymore. It has made the cops a 5th military branch, it has cost too much and destroyed too much. Legalize it so people can be assured of a clean supply that will not kill them. Then the chips fall where they may. The President is a fink. |
December 13th, 2019 at 8:39:25 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4968 |
That is the problem with our implementation of the death penalty, it takes too long. I think if the criminals were executed withing 48 hours of being apprehended it would be a much better deterrent. I think heinous crime committers should be put to death, but I am against the death sentence as we implement it. I just don't trust our legal system. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
December 13th, 2019 at 8:57:15 AM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11799 |
My view, can convict with no reasonable doubt To execute, no doubt at all Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
December 13th, 2019 at 9:14:21 AM permalink | |
kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4516 |
Hey we finally found something we can agree on again TP. I don't have a moral problem with the state killing someone but innocent people do get convicted of murder. I feel that to have the horror of the state executing an innocent man is not worth the questionable benefit of executing all the guilty ones. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
December 13th, 2019 at 2:55:13 PM permalink | |
Gandler Member since: Aug 15, 2019 Threads: 27 Posts: 4256 |
How can any kind of fair trial take place in 48 hours? Once somebody is in confiment they are no longer an active threat. |
December 14th, 2019 at 8:21:14 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4968 |
I don't think it can based on our legal system. If you believe there is no violence in prison you are clearly mistaken. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |