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Italy joining China's Belt and Road initiative
| April 27th, 2020 at 10:55:26 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Chinese immigrants are all over the world, including some of the countries hardest hit by the COVID virus 5,025,817 US 1,769,195 Canada 700,000 France 433,150 United Kingdom 320,794 Italy 215,970 Spain In NYC 21st Chinatown Lunar New Year Parade and Festival Sunday, February 9, 2020 The virus is hitting NYC harder than almost any place in the world, but I assume it was originally transmitted en masse from visitors from Hubei, who were attending the parade in New York. The virus was inevitable as scientists have been telling us for decades, and it has to originate somewhere. But the first G7 country to join China's Belt and Road initiative was already stirring some uncomfortable feelings among other EU nations. Interestingly the COVID crisis and the Chinese response seems to have strengthened Italic-Chinese relationships. How does this liason make you feel? |
| April 28th, 2020 at 3:50:41 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18267 |
Not good. I do not trust China. I do not like China. They are an evil country. What we have going for us is they are a demographic disaster playing out. They could fracture into several countries. History shows they will eventually turn inward. Western Europe is weak and will play right into them. The President is a fink. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 9:24:03 AM permalink | |
| Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | So it will eventually be a Sino-Soviet war? |
| April 28th, 2020 at 9:48:16 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
W Europe is strange. They once ruled the world. UK, Spain, Portugal, France. Then the 20th century came and they became socialized wimps. After WWI there was a huge change. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 10:07:08 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18267 |
They lost their will, much a the USA has begun to lose ours. They are demographically dying out. They will fall sooner or later. The President is a fink. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 12:39:05 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Has more to do with money than will. After WWI Germany, France, UK were flat broke. And then came the Depression 10 years later and WWII after that. So after the war Europe was devastated financially, the US was the opposite. This allowed the ugly head of socialism to take over and it totally changed how EU looked at the world and how it was looked at. It's why the Left is totally wanting the virus to bankrupt the US and make us ripe for socialism. Not gonna happen. Corporate America would never let it happen. There never was a corporate EU to stop it. I just read Amazon has 800,00 employees. Google and MS have 250,000. Kroger 450,000. McD's 1.4 mil. Walmart 2.5 mil. None of those companies want anything to do with real socialism. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 12:44:25 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18267 |
This is all true, but they lost it nonetheless. And they even more lost it starting in the 60s. As socialism increases the outlook of the citizens gets darker and darker. The President is a fink. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 3:06:19 PM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
 San Miguel de Allende is a historic Mexican town about 60 miles from an airport with good connections to ten airports in the US plus Tijuana. Maybe 100,000 well off Americans without Mexican ethnicity have chosen to retire there. Since 9-11 they built a Montesorri school and more younger parents with school age children have retired there. That is a relatively small number compared to the Americans that retire to Mexican beach communities, but it is a noticeably well off enclave. I could imagine the same phenomena with Chinese retiring to Italy. It's got incredibly historic communities and beautiful beach communities. I can imagine millions moving there or visiting within a decade. |
| April 28th, 2020 at 3:39:03 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18267 |
Good observation. Chinese cannot really live closer like we have Mexico as a neighbor, SE Asia is too crowded. But plenty of them want to get the heck out of China, for many good reasons. The President is a fink. |
| April 29th, 2020 at 9:07:08 AM permalink | |
| Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
The phrase "plenty of them" is relative. I'm sure that most Chinese don't want to live in another country, but Italy has only 4.3% of the population of China. Even if 0.5% per year of the Chinese want to live in Europe, and they all move to Italy, that would radically change the country. Roughly 0.5% of Mexico immigrates to the US every year. Britain has the same issue. The Commonwealth has 2 billion people. Even if a tiny percentage move to Britain every year, it radically changes the culture. Out population has shifted so that it was majority rural in 1900, but almost all population growth has been urban. rural census urban (millions of people) 59.5 2010 249.3 59.1 2000 222.4 61.7 1990 187.1 59.5 1980 167.1 53.6 1970 149.6 54.1 1960 125.3 54.5 1950 96.8 57.5 1940 74.7 54.0 1930 69.2 51.8 1920 54.3 50.2 1910 42.1 46.0 1900 30.2 In contrast, China wants to move 600 million from rural to urban in only 20 years. That is such a radical population shift, that you might as well move to what are relatively small cities in Europe. Millions of people in urban areas of China (right now before the massive shift) 28.2 Shanghai 21.7 Shenzhen 21.0 Guangzhou 19.2 Beijing 12.6 Wuhan 11.6 Tianjin 11.3 Chengdu 11.1 Chongqing Millions of people in urban areas of Italy 6.6 Milan 5.3 Naples 4.4 Rome 1.9 Turin 1.6 Venice-Padua 1.5 Florence 1.3 Bari 1.2 Palermo 1.0 Catania 0.9 Brescia 0.9 Genoa 0.8 Messina-Reggio Calabria 0.7 Rimini 0.7 Bologna 0.6 Modena |