Actors like John Wayne?
June 13th, 2014 at 10:41:58 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
I shouldn't have said that John Mahoney is openly gay. Like a lot of men his age he simply doesn't talk about it, although it seems to be an "open secret". In 2010, he made a guest appearance as anti-homosexual retired naval officer Lt. Commander Wally Durham. Frankly, a straight man is not likely to play such a part. Sir Ian Murray McKellen (who is the same age as John Mahoney) didn't come out to the general public until the age of 49. Before that he considered it a private matter, but he felt compelled because of a political proposal. |
June 13th, 2014 at 4:10:45 PM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
If you google image searched each of those guys in their early 20's or younger, you'd see what I mean. Also reports about when they were idolized, though many fell off to normal star status, if there is such a thing. For example, Rudy Valentino died at 30-31, in 1926. 100,000 screaming women surrounded the funeral home and caused a near-riot. Frank Sinatra was one I decided not to post as an example, because he wasn't a Pretty Boy, though he was definitely idolized. Rock Hudson would qualify only at the very beginning of his career and moved past it into Leading Man status (IMO) quickly. Anyway, the correlation seems ridiculous to me; I was trying to provide enough names to make an example-based counterargument, rather than just saying it. Changing public consensus on what's attractive and desirable is much more marked in women over decades, but there's definitely a male attractiveness consensus that changes as well. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
June 13th, 2014 at 6:17:43 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
HUH??? If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 15th, 2014 at 1:52:50 PM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
Sexy for the times, yes. Pretty, no. But he had a huge female following, so depending on how you're defining it, maybe. I don't think Frank himself would want to be considered a Pretty Boy, where someone like Tony Curtis pursued it. I think Frank would've given anyone interviewing him a face shove if they tried to suggest he was one. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
June 25th, 2014 at 3:25:06 AM permalink | |
Greasyjohn Member since: Jun 20, 2014 Threads: 6 Posts: 68 |
More pretty boys: John Derek, Jeffery Hunter, Troy Donahue. Pretty boys had a certain quality of being light weight actors who did fluff pieces, and they were considered extremely good looking, but not virile. Burt Reynolds and Robert Redford weren't pretty boys (Redford was a close call). Rob Lowe was considered to be a pretty boy. Once an actor ages the pretty boy moniker fades away. The term isn't used as much today as was in the 50s and 60s. I like your face shove remark. That's Frank. |
June 25th, 2014 at 12:27:21 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | Paul Newman was a pretty boy in his early 20's and hated it. All his life he wanted to be taken seriously as an actor and eventually he was. He would get furious if you complimented him on his looks, he would say 'you make me sick' right to your face. He also drank too much. Looks don't last, however. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 25th, 2014 at 3:50:05 PM permalink | |
Greasyjohn Member since: Jun 20, 2014 Threads: 6 Posts: 68 |
I don't know if I agree. Paul Newman didn't make his first picture until he was 29, The Silver Chalice. And in Somebody Up There Likes Me he didn't give off the pretty boy aura. Perhaps in his first works as a stage actor it was different. But I never noticed the pretty boy manner. Good looking, yes. Too good looking pretty boy, I don't see it. |
June 25th, 2014 at 8:09:30 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
In his early years Newman did lots of TV work before he was in movies. His pretty boy good looks cost him lots of roles and he came to resent being so handsome. The resentment lasted all his life, though he realized it was half the reason he was such a success. I just saw him again last night in the 1958 Long Hot Summer. He was 33 and even then you could see what he once had. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
June 25th, 2014 at 8:32:16 PM permalink | |
Greasyjohn Member since: Jun 20, 2014 Threads: 6 Posts: 68 |
Okay. I appreciate what you're saying. But in The Silver Chalice he seemed more like a guy from New Jersey than Antioch, or wherever he was from in the picture. Yeah, in Sweet Bird Of Youth, that's kinda pretty boy. But in HUD one year later he's no pretty boy. |
June 25th, 2014 at 11:34:29 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
He wasn't in either of those, he was pushing 40. Go back to the early 50's when he was starting his career, that's when he was a pretty boy and where he learned to hate his looks. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |