Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

The Inquisitions had nothing to do with someone who was not a Catholic and were certainly not about money.

Of course not. Fattening the Vatican's holdings
was just a pleasant side effect.

If I were to travel back in time to stop the spread of Christianity, I wouldn't kill Jesus.

I'd kill Constantine I.

Quote: Nareed

If I were to travel back in time to stop the spread of Christianity, I wouldn't kill Jesus.
.

New evidence shows Paul invented modern
Christianity around the year 50. Just took
a simple message from Jesus, and made the
rest of it up. Virgin birth, miracles, resurrection,
son of god, trinity. All invented by Paul. Go
back in time and slap him around a little,
he's responsible for the deaths of millions.

Quote: Nareed

If I were to travel back in time to stop the spread of Christianity, I wouldn't kill Jesus.

I'd kill Constantine I.

Good thing considering Jesus death (and resurrection) is what started Christianity. On the other hand some would say you did kill Jesus. His blood is on our hands so to speak.

Quote: pew

Good thing considering Jesus death (and resurrection) is what started Christianity. On the other hand some would say you did kill Jesus. His blood is on our hands so to speak.

Jesus never rose from the dead. Why is
it on our hands, he was just one of a
couple hundred thousand the Romans
crucified.

Quote: Evenbob

Jesus never rose from the dead. Why is
it on our hands, he was just one of a
couple hundred thousand the Romans
crucified.

You don't seem to get it. Right or wrong, there are people who would disagree with your statement. Not everyone thinks the same or has the same opinions or beliefs. It's called diversity.

Quote: pew

You don't seem to get it. Right or wrong, there are people who would disagree with your statement. Not everyone thinks the same or has the same opinions or beliefs. It's called diversity.

So I'm supposed to say, hmm, maybe Jesus
was resurrected just because some people
believe it?

I don't think so. Until it's proven, it didn't happen.
The laws of the physical universe didn't change
just because some people believe it did.

Quote: Evenbob

So I'm supposed to say, hmm, maybe Jesus
was resurrected just because some people
believe it?

I don't think so. Until it's proven, it didn't happen.
The laws of the physical universe didn't change
just because some people believe it did.

What you don't seem to get is you can believe whatever you want. It's not a big deal. Believe what you want to believe. Nobody is going to convince you of anything.

Quote: pew

What you don't seem to get is you can believe whatever you want. .

Obviously. Why wouldn't I get that.
But what you want is for atheists to
play along with believing things
that defy the physical laws of the
universe and pretend that certain
things just might have happened.

If you die, you're body is dead. 3
days later it's even more dead, it's
non resurrectible even with modern
medicine. So one of two things
happened with Jesus. He was not
dead when they put him in the tomb
and was in a coma. Or he really was
dead, and he stayed dead and is
still dead.

There is no third choice.

Quote: pew

What you don't seem to get is you can believe whatever you want. It's not a big deal.

Well, it is a big deal. I live across the street from a big church that is forever remodeling, spending lots and lots of money to make their form of control more attractive. The street between us has sewer and water running underneath it. I have to pay for that utility with my taxes through the fruit of my labor, while all their property is tax free. Not only is all the real estate across the street valued in the millions of dollars tax free [because I pay for the services they receive, because I am not tax exempt] but the members of the church get to deduct whatever they donate to this church from their taxes.

These people are fully protected by the law [which I also pay for] to do as they wish. They decide to put in a day care a hundred feet from my front window full of screaming little "believers", and they also get to put up giant offensive banners right in our faces.

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Believe what you want to believe.

Jeez, thanks for that, but how about this. Some fanatic that believes in invisible, mythological deity's is in charge of the big red button that launches our nuclear arsenal. These sociopaths have the ability to kill everyone on earth. Where is my protection [if we are all equal] from lunatics in control of military and the law [as they decide what that means]? I'm a hostage in an insane asylum.

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Nobody is going to convince you of anything.

Look at the harm religion has done over the century's. Look at the family's destroyed and the psychiatrists enriched, the property stolen, kids mutilated, all in the name of your god.

If a new medicine harms 3% of the people that use it, it is removed from the market. Consider how many peoples lives are forever altered through religious dogma or child molestation. You guys need to re-evaluate your guide book.

I can not believe how you can believe in God, and religion, at the same time.

I am saying the so called "religious", and especially the priests, had better pray there is no God.