The Trump Impeachment Thread

Quote: rxwine

Do you think the Trump kids haven't been making money in other countries Trump does government business in? What's your opinion on that?

Do you think when they show up in another country to take care of something, people doing business with them don't fall all over themselves because of who Daddy is?

Quote: terapined

You wont get an answer
Fleaswatter is ok with corruption as long as its a republican.
He wont admit that, instead will counter with more Biden BS

Quote: SOOPOO

There is no prosecutor who brings charges against a criminal if they have such a low chance for success. But this is politics, not the criminal justice system. The thought of wasting countless man hours and likely hundreds of millions of dollars means nothing to the Democrat leadership. You can only imagine the conversation..... "I know we can't convict him, but what day should we impeach so that it will help us win the election?" Is there anyone who does not believe that is the Democrat plan?

Quote: rxwine

I'm with you on corruption. Although it doesn't sound like they are going to find anything on Biden, if he did something illegal, let him go down with the rest of the them.

Quote: Nareed

Impeachment, alas, is a political process, not a judicial one.

Essentially, the House of Representatives acts as the prosecutor and votes whether or not to bring charges in a bill of impeachment. Then the trial is held in the Senate, with the Chief Justice presiding and the senators acting as the jury.

We all now this, the basics at least. But what are the implications?

Foremost is that it's a political process. You can bring up impeachment for political reasons, rather than judicial ones. Conversely, senators can vote to acquit for political reasons as well. This means unless you can get 2/3 of the senators to convict, your case doesn't really make much of a difference. Juries do weigh evidence and testimony, but ultimately issue a decision based on law (as instructed by the judge). They have no latitude to vote guilty or not guilty based on their feelings towards the defendant, and usually have no personal or professional stakes in the matter. They can't even consider the fairness of the law involved.

Golden Boy Trump has been accused in the media (not by the media, BTW) of obstruction of justice. This is a very serious charge, regardless of whether his campaign colluded with Russia or not. Given the evidence we know, I've no doubt Trump would be mincemeat for any competent prosecutor at a regular court of law.

It is his luck, and our misfortune, that he cannot be tried in court by a jury.

So they key right now is his supporters, whether they voted for him or not. If he can keep them, most of the cowards in the GOP won't dare touch him. If he loses enough of his support, though, he will fall hard enough to leave a crater in the Rose Garden.

However things play out, and that will take time, it's likely no moves towards impeachment will take place until after the midterm elections (barring some incredibly outrageous act by the Golden Boy, which isn't unlikely at all). Even then, a conviction is far from certain. Nixon resigned because he'd become so unpopular even among his base, that few would dare defend him if impeached.

I've no doubt Golden Boy can produce an endless stream of scandals. For the moment, too, I've no doubt he could kill, skin, butcher, cook and eat a puppy, and his supporters wouldn't be put off, until some "liberal," elite publications declared Trump to be cruel to animals.

Well, that's how things stand now.

I, for one, as a student of history, would like to be able to see the US depose a president for the first time in its history.

Quote: Wizard

These exact arguments were made when the Republicans proceeded with the impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Quote: Gandler

Even if he gets impeached, he will never be convicted that is virtually certain, but being impeached will make him even more likley to win re-election.

Quote: Evenbob

Pretty funny when all the pieces
are put together. They did this
with the 2 week recess looming
for a reason. Trump would be
accused, the whistleblower
statement would be released,
and they would demand Trump
release the transcript. They were
positive he wouldn't do that
because it's a breach of trust
with a world leader and no
president does it because it
ruins future conversations.

So then the Dems would scream
"COVER UP! COVER UP! And
Pelosi would cancel the recess
dramatically so they could go
full on impeachment hearing.

But Trump screwed their plan
up royally. He released the
transcript and all the air went
out of their lying balloon. That's
why Schitt went on the the lying
'parody', we weren't supposed
to have the real transcript. Morons.