Democratic Nominee in 2020

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Were we talking about Trump? Biden's innocence or guilt is measured against Trump? Whether Biden is an acceptable nominee that the Democrats put up is measured against Trump? Whether he put his fingers in there is dependent on whether Trump grabbed some?

How about this. I'll stipulate Trump did everything you say he did. Covered it all up. Lied repeatedly about it all.

Ok... we agree on the above. Now let's think about who to nominate to take Trump's place. Biden gets measured on Biden.

Just for the hell of it, postulate what Pelosi/Gillebrand/Clinton (H)/Sanders would say if Biden was a Republican being nominated for office against any regular Democrat. You think they would all be standing behind him implying the woman is a liar? because make no mistake about it, if you are still supporting Biden you are saying Tara Reade is a liar.

Tara Reade has said different things at different times about this. I'm not accusing anyone of lying who tells different versions because I don't have to. You're the one choosing to believe one version of her story but not the other.

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Remind me, why is this life long Democrat lying about Biden? You think she secretly wants a second Trump term?

Who knows? Trump apparently is pretty hollow as a person. He can represent whatever the people who never wise up to him want to believe I guess.

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Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party.[3]

She's getting ready!! Other people are seeing it too!!

Hillary Clinton Is Skyrocketing in Gambling Odds for 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee

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She's getting ready!! Other people are seeing it too!!

Hillary Clinton Is Skyrocketing in Gambling Odds for 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee

Somebody here has been predicting
this for 2 years. I can't remember who..

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She's getting ready!! Other people are seeing it too!!

Hillary Clinton Is Skyrocketing in Gambling Odds for 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee

Somebody here has been predicting
this for 2 years. I can't remember who..

A few have.

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She's getting ready!! Other people are seeing it too!!

Hillary Clinton Is Skyrocketing in Gambling Odds for 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee

Somebody here has been predicting
this for 2 years. I can't remember who..

The same somebody who won’t admit he was wrong when it doesn’t happen.

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Tara Reade has said different things at different times about this. I'm not accusing anyone of lying who tells different versions because I don't have to. You're the one choosing to believe one version of her story but not the other.

I don't believe her in total. I'm guessing he did something she did not like, and she added the penetration part later to make it newsworthy. I was asking a question. If I was a Biden supporter, to me, there is not enough evidence to change my opinion. Laughingly, even Trump supports Biden here.

ams has a credible hypothesis for her coming forward; to possibly propel Bernie to the nomination. Since she would have preferred Obama to Romney or McCain, that wouldn't have been a good time to play the "he penetrated me" card.

Joe Biden has asked that his Senate records be released. That could well fall far short of what he really needs to ask for, which would be ALL Senate records to include those of any committee (ethics) that has investigated any allegations of sexual misconduct against Joe Biden. Any legitimate release also needs to include an investigation into what may be contained about this allegation in his records at the University of Delaware and an investigation into anyone has accessed those records recently.

He is in an interesting position. Trump hasn't released LOTS of stuff. Joe Biden has promised to be different; to be a better person. If he doesn't want to release stuff, he really does not have to do it. The problem with that is that it takes his ability to attack Trump's lack of transparency.

I'm not even sure how an investigation into this right now could be handled. He is a "public figure" not a "elected or appointed official" at this point. Who can truly investigate him and compel turning over records and testimony? Based on his own previous comments, he needs the full Kavanaugh treatment...but is also not subject to that at this point.

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She's getting ready!! Other people are seeing it too!!

Hillary Clinton Is Skyrocketing in Gambling Odds for 2020 Democratic Presidential Nominee

Anyone sure it won't be Hillary can bet $100 to win $12.
Anyone sure it won't be Andrew can bet $100 to win $5.
Anyone sure it WILL be Biden can bet $100 to win $19.

Approximate. But essentially a 1 in 5 chance Biden DOES NOT get the nomination!
And a 1 in 8 chance Hillary does!

Most stunning, for the pathetically weak Democrat party, is that the second and third choice were NOT even running for President! The other 20 choices, sadly for them, were exposed in the debates as NOT CAPABLE to even beat a nearly senile old man with scandals a brewing....(primary and general) So they have to look for either a re-tread or Presidential looking and sounding Cuomo.

Cuomo/Whitmer all the way!

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Joe Biden has asked that his Senate records be released. That could well fall far short of what he really needs to ask for, which would be ALL Senate records to include those of any committee (ethics) that has investigated any allegations of sexual misconduct against Joe Biden. Any legitimate release also needs to include an investigation into what may be contained about this allegation in his records at the University of Delaware and an investigation into anyone has accessed those records recently.

He is in an interesting position. Trump hasn't released LOTS of stuff. Joe Biden has promised to be different; to be a better person. If he doesn't want to release stuff, he really does not have to do it. The problem with that is that it takes his ability to attack Trump's lack of transparency.

I'm not even sure how an investigation into this right now could be handled. He is a "public figure" not a "elected or appointed official" at this point. Who can truly investigate him and compel turning over records and testimony? Based on his own previous comments, he needs the full Kavanaugh treatment...but is also not subject to that at this point.

Did you watch entire interview with Mika? Hannity/Carlson/Ingraham?Limbaugh/etc.. could not have come at him harder. I've posted already that there must be 'something' that the University of Delaware has. She said 'why not do a search on "Tara Reade" and only look at documents with her name. He babbled about private conversations, national interest, no personnel files there, etc... Mika made suggestions on how this investigation could be done. I'm guessing there is 'something' there.... it might say this "there is a nutjob threatening me that we don't know what to do with". But Biden, if there really was nothing to be found, should have said "Of course, Mika, I will ask Delaware University to make all document that mention Tara Reade available for a bipartisan group of Senators to look at. Or a cadre of news media. Or Pelosi and McCarthy. Or, with Ms. Reade's permission, just make them all public."

Apparently she filed a police report recently. WTF? Assuming the statute of limitations has expired decades ago, to me that is nothing more than grandstanding. I HATE that some in the media are actually stating that implying it adds validity to her claims.

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Most stunning, for the pathetically weak Democrat party, is that the second and third choice were NOT even running for President! The other 20 choices, sadly for them, were exposed in the debates as NOT CAPABLE to even beat a nearly senile old man with scandals a brewing....(primary and general) So they have to look for either a re-tread or Presidential looking and sounding Cuomo.

Cuomo/Whitmer all the way!

Same problem since 1972. Democrat primary voters are so far left of reality yet so splintered that it is hard for the mainstream candidate to get traction. This year was worse than usual, pick the loon that fits your views. This was a function of modern times. Even in the 1990s you had just a few media outlets. So many candidates will likely be the norm for a few more cycles, though I expect maybe one more election then both sides make no bones about limiting who gets into the debates. Followed by fringe outlets having JV debates. Currently the USA is hooked on politics like heroin. Until people get tired and tune out they will get their supply.