The Coronavirus thread

Quote: Tanko

Cavuto makes my point. The clueless accepted that worthless report as though it was a Johns Hopkins or CDC study. He repeatedly refers to it as a VA study, and gives it credibility by implying it was conducted by the VA, when it was not.

He ignores the fact, indicated in the report, that those who were not treated with HCQ, and died at a lower rate as 'expected', were not as sick as the other two groups.

These 27 sources represent 5,335 patients who received early stage treatment with HCQ, Zinc Sulphate and AZ.

The case fatality rate for these patients is .54% vs. the 7.01% worldwide case fatality rate.

Also included is the case fatality rate for those countries that utilize HCQ. Overall 2.93% vs. 7.01% worldwide.

Google "double blind studies of hydroxychloroquine"

Quote: SOOPOO

If the Red states which are 'opening too early' are successful, that will be a big win for Trump. It will not matter if their death rate ends up 10 or 15% higher than it would have been. People will be happy their economies have gotten on a start back to normalcy sooner. And if by some chance there is a study which ends up showing a slight positive effect for hydroxychloroquine, which is certainly possible, well, then Trump will get a HUGE push from that.

I am watching the Bellmawr gym story. The police apparently arrived, told the owner he is in violation, and left. Maybe someone will be serving the owner with a fine today? But it does not look like it will be shut down. The owner has taken reasonable COVID-19 precautions, like limiting number of people, frequent wipe-downs, silly temperature checks, etc...

By the way, I never knew there was a Bellmawr, New Jersey. I thought it was a typo of Belmar, New Jersey, which has been in the news for the lines to buy 'beach tickets' last week. I went to the beach in Belmar last summer with my sister and B inlaw. You had to pay for a day pass if you didn't have a 'season sticker'.

You know, I was watching a movie the other day. A guy agreed with you about what is or isn't "success." I think his name was Thanos.

Quote: AZDuffman

Those still favoring lockdowns are on the wrong side of this now.

You've been wrong about this virus from day 1. You're in no position to tell anybody anything.

Quote: Tripdufan

You've been wrong about this virus from day 1. You're in no position to tell anybody anything.

Sure I am. Look around, people are standing up against the lockdowns all over. What I do not get is why it is so divided among political lines. Liberals are the ones preferring to be locked down. Conservatives want to get back to work and on with life. Why?

Quote: AZDuffman

Liberals are the ones preferring to be locked down. Conservatives want to get back to work and on with life. Why?

Because in general, liberals are more concerned about society as a whole. Conservatives are more concerned about themselves.

That's why. It's that simple.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/495382-majority-of-americans-support-another-two-weeks-of-lockdown-poll

Got any more recent polling data to suggest you have any idea what you're talkign about? Because the most recent one I found suggests...no, you don't. They might prefer to reopen in places that still fly the confederate flag, but you're in the minority, overall.

For the record, I personally do not care what local governments do. If they want to end the Trump shutdown and get back to work, I say go for it. Let the data guide that decision; not politics, and definitely not the re-election hopes of the most shameful man this country has ever seen as its leader.

Quote: Tripdufan

Because in general, liberals are more concerned about society as a whole. Conservatives are more concerned about themselves.

That's why. It's that simple.

That is the lie that the left likes to think. The left is concerned about society as a whole only for a society that meets their vision but will hammer any segment of society that doesn't believe in their vision because 'after all they are wrong and need to be educated'. Conservatives care about society as whole just as much as those on the left but with a different vision than the liberals. But they are generally willing to let those that don't agree with them live their lives as they want.

This difference can be illustrated by examining how each side considers helping the poorer segments of society. The left feels this is the money problem and that it can be solved by throwing more money at the problem. The fact that we have been doing this for decades and now and have more people living on the streets than ever, likely means that this solution is not optimal. The conservatives feel that throwing more money at the problem creates dependency and people who are less likely to become self sufficient. Although the average conservative likely agrees with that statement that doesn't equate to your post above. Conservatives care about people just as much as liberals, what there is not agreement about is what is the best way for society to help the greatest number of people.

Quote: Tripdufan

Because in general, liberals are more concerned about society as a whole. Conservatives are more concerned about themselves.

That's why. It's that simple.

If you mean causing a depression and making people lose their homes and get evicted that is a funny way about caring about people. Liberals care about their people being in power. The little guy they care nothing about.

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https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/495382-majority-of-americans-support-another-two-weeks-of-lockdown-poll

Got any more recent polling data to suggest you have any idea what you're talkign about? Because the most recent one I found suggests...no, you don't. They might prefer to reopen in places that still fly the confederate flag, but you're in the minority, overall.

Check out all the demonstrations to open up. Ask people outside NYC/DC. A poll from a liberal publication is not really that accurate. Take away the extra unemployment payments the take a poll. Time to open up.

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For the record, I personally do not care what local governments do. If they want to end the Trump shutdown and get back to work, I say go for it. Let the data guide that decision; not politics, and definitely not the re-election hopes of the most shameful man this country has ever seen as its leader.

Trump wants us to open up, Blue-State govs are the ones who want to stay closed.

Quote: AZDuffman

If you mean causing a depression and making people lose their homes and get evicted that is a funny way about caring about people.

You do understand that DONALD TRUMP shut down the economy...right?

Quote: Tripdufan

You do understand that DONALD TRUMP shut down the economy...right?

You do understand that Blue State govs are keeping it shut down, right?

You do realize liberals are the ones crying it was not shut down sooner, right?

You do realize Trump called for it to open a month ago, right?

Quote: AZDuffman

You do understand that Blue State govs are keeping it shut down, right?

You do realize liberals are the ones crying it was not shut down sooner, right?

You do realize Trump called for it to open a month ago, right?

Folks that answer questions with questions have generally lost the debate, but I'll engage.

Blue state governors are making the best decisions for their states. They are using the data to guide their decisions. Are you for states rights...or not? Are you a real conservative or a fake conservative? They will reopen when it's safe to do so.

Interesting second question when you consider that one of the main talking points from the right was that it was ALSO liberals who encouraged people to "ride the subway" and "go to Chinatown", but you say they cried it wasn't done earlier? Two contradicting thoughts, which is par for the course from a Trump supporter who has to travel in circles to defend this shameless pathetic excuse for a leader.

And besides, there was only one person who had the SELF PROCLAIMED "ABSOLUTE AUTHORITY" to form his task force and shut down the economy, and that was Donald Trump, not liberals. "Leadership, if it happens you're responsible. If it doesn't happen, you're responsible." We all know who said this. Hit tweets don't travel well through time.

In your world, you would like us to believe that the person with "absolute" authority assumes "zero" responsibility. This must be the world where it's still cool to fly the confederacy.