The City on Fire

June 7th, 2020 at 3:38:39 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Gandler


Guantanamo Bay is a key naval base gifted by Cuba in the 1890s (that we still pay them every year for, even if they now make a spectacle of burning the check in a cigar or whatever.....) There needs to be a base like it in the Caribbean. There also needs to be a facility to house terrorists (which is the only aspect of the base most people seem to obsess over....). You know why it is still opened? Obama learned the remaining 50ish inmates, no countries will take because they are so horrendous so there is no where to release them to for civilian jails..... One of the few good executive orders by President Trump was singing the order to authorize the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay indefinitely….. Even if the detention facility closes, which it probably will at some point in history, the naval base will still be there as it has for over 100 years.... The Naval base is never going away..... The detention center probably will in the next 50 years because of political pressure, but that is a relatively small part of the base....


Cuba is the key to the Gulf of Mexico. The Gulf of Mexico is the key to international trade for the midwest, the plains states, and oil.

The USSR looks impressive in size but they really only have 2-3 real ports. To blockade one is to cripple them. The USA has more ports, but to blockade the Gulf of Mexico would cripple the USA.

You might not know how spot on you are.

But you are arguing with a guy who pledged 100% allegiance to a racist and violent group that wants to get rid of the police, so good luck having a reasonable conversation there.
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June 7th, 2020 at 3:53:55 PM permalink
ams288
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June 7th, 2020 at 3:57:26 PM permalink
Gandler
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Black Lives Matter.

"Black Lives Matter" The organization is a joke and anti-American.
June 7th, 2020 at 4:14:30 PM permalink
rxwine
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How come you people on the right haven't come up with the good suggestion for "Defund the Police"? Which is "Yes."

Any neighborhood that seriously wants to defund their police, let them have it. Police will no longer go there and be defunded.

Surely you can see how that plays out?
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June 7th, 2020 at 4:20:21 PM permalink
ams288
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Quote: rxwine
How come you people on the right haven't come up with the good suggestion for "Defund the Police"? Which is "Yes."

Any neighborhood that seriously wants to defund their police, let them have it. Police will no longer go there and be defunded.

Surely you can see how that plays out?


Speaking of which:

MINNEAPOLIS CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ANNOUNCE INTENT TO DISBAND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, INVEST IN PROVEN COMMUNITY-LED PUBLIC SAFETY
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June 7th, 2020 at 4:22:48 PM permalink
Gandler
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Quote: rxwine
How come you people on the right haven't come up with the good suggestion for "Defund the Police"? Which is "Yes."

Any neighborhood that seriously wants to defund their police, let them have it. Police will no longer go there and be defunded.

Surely you can see how that plays out?


I am sure most cops would love that because all of the high risk areas would be off limits.... And, the only areas they would have to patrol are cushy suburbs….

But, do you see why this is a bad idea? Criminals would thrive... The people who want the police defunded are the same groups that want chaos to undermine American unity... You can't let gang controlled neighborhoods have the option to locally "defund police".... The neighborhoods that need police the most do not want them.... There is a reason for this.... Gangs....
June 7th, 2020 at 4:31:16 PM permalink
Gandler
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Sounds like the mayor is the only sensible one, the rest are giving into mob violence. "Community Led Responses" Yeah, remember these are the same people who opposed that one citizen's arrest.....

This really means, don't mess with drug fueled neighborhoods.....

This city has one of the top crime rates in America..... Huge drug problems, huge gang problems..... This is going to end horribly.....
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mn/minneapolis/crime

"Community Led" basically means the gangs will run the neighborhood. Rich or middle class Communities that hire private security patrols to question people coming through, will be "elitist" or "racist".
June 7th, 2020 at 4:40:55 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Gandler
I am sure most cops would love that because all of the high risk areas would be off limits.... And, the only areas they would have to patrol are cushy suburbs….

But, do you see why this is a bad idea? Criminals would thrive... The people who want the police defunded are the same groups that want chaos to undermine American unity... You can't let gang controlled neighborhoods have the option to locally "defund police".... The neighborhoods that need police the most do not want them.... There is a reason for this.... Gangs....


I'm not opposed to a bad idea on a limited basis for a limited area if people really want to do it. I personally think it is going too far in the opposite direction. I'm be pleased as punch to see it work, though I wouldn't put any money on it.

In some neighborhoods it might not seem much different than the way it was before. Anyway, I'm happy to see real life experiments.

If they are smart, they will vote a resolution that will expire.
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June 7th, 2020 at 4:48:59 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Gandler
There is a reason for this.... Gangs....


Gangs are one of the reasons, it's more important that the police follow the law, act in accordance with the civil rights, and not have incidents like George Floyd.
If people can't trust the police, there's someone in the neighborhood who can use that to their advantage.
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June 7th, 2020 at 5:20:54 PM permalink
kenarman
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I wonder how many of the people that own burnt out and looted business's support having no police. Oh I forgot they are all just rich people that rape the poor anyway so don't count. I guess once they pay "protection" to their local gang they will be fine.
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